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To: Dukes Travels

Vehemently disagree.

McCain would be more damaging to conservatism than Obama. The next 2-4 years are going to be very, very hard. Regardless of who gets elected. However, the man in charge takes the blame.

McCain will be up against a 70 vote majority house and filibuster proof senate. Anyone who thinks a conservative judge will get through is smoking crack. And its entirely possible they’ll defund the war anyway. So what would we end up with? A global warming believing, gitmo closing-captured terrorist coddling, tax hiking (and lying), free speech suppressing, angry socialist.


2 posted on 05/19/2008 5:40:17 AM PDT by Crazieman (Vote Juan McAmnesty in 2008! Because freedom abroad is more important than freedom at home!)
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To: Crazieman

Obama would be more damaging to America.


5 posted on 05/19/2008 5:50:32 AM PDT by Dukes Travels
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To: Crazieman
McCain would be more damaging to conservatism than Obama.

If I even thought about voting for Juan as the proverbial lesser of two evils, that went flying out the window after his pandering global warming speech last week.

It's third party for me, or, nobody.

Just about time to go Gulching for a few years.............

7 posted on 05/19/2008 5:51:37 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: Crazieman

McCain does not want conservative support, he is actively courting RINOs and liberal-leftists instead. Not attracting conservative votes was his decision, not mine.


8 posted on 05/19/2008 5:52:33 AM PDT by Rudder ("There is only one chief. Obey him." [Rush Limbaugh, April 30, 2008])
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To: Crazieman
I vehemently disagree with you.

It is NEVER a good idea to hand victory to a socialist, NEVER. McCain has considerably more wooing to do of conservatives before I will openly and full-heartedly support him, but he is far, far better than the alternative, and I happen to like Obama very much. But I will NEVER betray the conservative cause, by conceding victory to a socialist.

Obama is so far left that there is as much or more of a difference between he and McCain, as there is between McCain and most conservatives' conception of an ideal conservative candidate. As we do not have the latter, I'll take McCain. Anything less is an abandonment and betrayal of all the conservative principles on behalf of which I have been working for the past 30 years.

12 posted on 05/19/2008 6:00:30 AM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: Crazieman

Agreed, I wil not vote for McCain.

I will cast my vote for him or vote against Obama.

I will not drink the Socialist Republocrat Kool-Aid

Screw McCain as he has screwed us.


27 posted on 05/19/2008 6:22:16 AM PDT by stockpirate (Purge the RNC and GOP of ALL SOCIALISTS . Starting with Juan McCain.)
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To: Crazieman

Thanks for articulating my reasons for staying home for the first time ever.

Either way we lose, big time! Both Obama and McCain will do great harm to the country, only difference being that one will do it with sweet rhetoric while the other one will grit his teeth and berate his (supposed) fellow conservatives (in the process).

I’m tired of the “pump and dump” routine that the RINOS have been doing to us every four years. Time for a new approach.

If conservatives ever get the courage to organize a meaningful third party effort to save this nation, I will come out of my self-imposed political slumber.

Until then, I will continue to plan to enjoy the few years that I feel the country has left.


42 posted on 05/19/2008 6:45:01 AM PDT by Grateful One
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To: Crazieman

I say send McCain home in November bitter and angry from his defeat at the hands of conservatives, the very conservatives he has sought to destory the last 10 years.


46 posted on 05/19/2008 6:50:38 AM PDT by stockpirate (Purge the RNC and GOP of ALL SOCIALISTS . Starting with Juan McCain.)
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To: Crazieman
McCain would be more damaging to conservatism than Obama.

But Obama would be far more damaging to the country. We can reasonably expect that an Obama win would be accompanied by a Dem landslide in Congress. He would have an overwhelming majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate.

On the other hand, if McCain wins, we'll still have losses in Congress, but the down-ticket damage won't be as bad.

Now one could argue that an Obama win would embolden what's left of the GOP in Congress, but their majority would be so small that it wouldn't matter. Obama would still have more than enough votes in Congress to surrender to Al Qaeda, raise taxes to the moon, and appoint judges who will view abortion not just as a right, but as a obligation. We would have to all be smoking crack to believe that the conservative movement could emerge from such an abyss.

131 posted on 05/19/2008 8:38:40 AM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment: It's not about sporting goods.)
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To: Crazieman
filibuster proof senate

You think the Dems will gain 9 seats?

133 posted on 05/19/2008 8:52:11 AM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: Crazieman
McCain would be more damaging to conservatism than Obama. The next 2-4 years are going to be very, very hard. Regardless of who gets elected. However, the man in charge takes the blame.

The last time we tried that it got us the largest tax hike in American history, gutted the military, a nuclear dictatorship in North Korea, the door left wide open for the 9/11 attack, etc.

Not damaging conservatism is less important than not damaging America.

143 posted on 05/19/2008 9:48:39 AM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: Crazieman
Vehemently disagree. McCain would be more damaging to conservatism than Obama. The next 2-4 years are going to be very, very hard. Regardless of who gets elected. However, the man in charge takes the blame. McCain will be up against a 70 vote majority house and filibuster proof senate. Anyone who thinks a conservative judge will get through is smoking crack. And its entirely possible they’ll defund the war anyway. So what would we end up with? A global warming believing, gitmo closing-captured terrorist coddling, tax hiking (and lying), free speech suppressing, angry socialist.

You ain't so crazie, man. Blackbird.

164 posted on 05/19/2008 1:26:33 PM PDT by BlackbirdSST (It's the Bill of Rights, not the Bill of Laws!)
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To: Crazieman
...but unless they’re considering abandoning their cause with Atlas Shrugged proportions, there’s no way in hell they’ll vote for Barack Obama.

No. Saying I will vote for Obama if I don't vote for McCain is a false dichotomy. I will vote for neither.

Besides the fact that a vote for McCain is abandoning our cause with Atlas Shrugged proportions.

166 posted on 05/19/2008 3:37:58 PM PDT by jammer
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To: Crazieman
As I said in another thread, McCain is going on Ellen Degenerate's show this week - Ellen has already vowed to get married in California to her "partner" after the ruling this week. McCain really is taking Republicans for granted.
169 posted on 05/20/2008 7:23:36 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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