Posted on 05/19/2008 5:35:51 AM PDT by Dukes Travels
Conservatives don’t love John McCain, but unless they’re considering abandoning their cause with Atlas Shrugged proportions, there’s no way in hell they’ll vote for Barack Obama.
Sometimes, things have to get worse before they get better. And with that idea in mind, the conservative movement really is America’s crutch.
The most specific example is economics, as conservatives constantly preach lower taxes and greater individual freedom. One would think that the Bush tax cuts, which have yielded continued economic growth (yes, our economy is growing, despite the lies you keep hearing), and the burgeoning economy during the Reagan Administration would provide enough proof to, at the very least, convince people that maybe, just maybe, there’s something to be said for lower taxes.
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exit82 shrugs.
So much my shoulders hurt.
If so much is truly at stake this year, and I agree with that premise, why on earth are we running McLoser?
We need a new horse by September or the Dems will beat McLame like a drum.
The electorate is dumbed down,wants goodies,doesn’t like Republicans, and wants change.
We need a Reagan and we have a Dold.
Were conservatives cowed into silence under presidnet Bush, or for that matter any other Republican president?
Contract with America....
More workplace enforcement of aliens under Clinton, until the GOP Georgia delegation stopped it in ‘98.....
IMPEACHMENT.....
You know, Terry, all those things the repubs brag about accomplishing in the 90’s. Tell me what was accomplished with a republican administration in the last 8 years? We got a couple good judges...under a dem senate! NO thanks to John McCAin or George Bush who we had to fight tooth and nail.
I explained that to you at least 5 times.
If you don’t get it now, you never will. Ever.
Bye
Pretty much my own sentiments, Exit. But I believe Obama may not be as invincible as I originally thought. And McCain is the horse we’re stuck with.
As you posted to me five times as you say, I was interested in his reasoning, not yours.
T, you are one of my favs on this forum.
I know people say we are stuck with McCain, but in reality, there are less than four months for the GOP to change course.
If McCain chooses wrongly on the VP, he is toast.
Even if we disagree, I think the world of you.
We did make strides under Clinton. But the strides we made under president Bush were more comprehensive, I believe, AuntB.
But Obama would be far more damaging to the country. We can reasonably expect that an Obama win would be accompanied by a Dem landslide in Congress. He would have an overwhelming majority in the House and a filibuster-proof Senate.
On the other hand, if McCain wins, we'll still have losses in Congress, but the down-ticket damage won't be as bad.
Now one could argue that an Obama win would embolden what's left of the GOP in Congress, but their majority would be so small that it wouldn't matter. Obama would still have more than enough votes in Congress to surrender to Al Qaeda, raise taxes to the moon, and appoint judges who will view abortion not just as a right, but as a obligation. We would have to all be smoking crack to believe that the conservative movement could emerge from such an abyss.
No, actually I got a lot of pointers from reading what you spew out to anyone who doesn't agree with you!
Thanks for the valuable education.
You think the Dems will gain 9 seats?
different day same old whine.
I had a hard time coping with the McCain nomination. Both because of his stand on many issues and my belief that he is not very likable and can't win.
Having said that, in most instances the Republican is better than the democrat, and this has been particularly true when speaking of the presidency. And I now believe Obama may be more vulnerable than I thought.
How can the GOP change course, when McCain has been voted in?
And yes, if McCain chooses the wrong VP he is toast, I agree. That and a few other issues must be resolved with McCain until we can offer him our full fledge support.
Exit, I have appreciated your support on this forum more than you know and the feeling is mutual, I assure you. Friends can and should be able to disagree, as minor (in our case) or as major as those disagreements may sometimes be, you are absolutely right.
Too often on this forum we treat one another as enemies instead of friends which for me has been a great source of consternation.
As I said, having an Obama presidency will force conservatives to scrutinize everything he does and speak out when he does something they think is wrong and if need be, take the fight to Washington, just like we did during the Clinton administration.
Having McCain in office will encourage conservatives to let down their guard, just as they did during Bush's first term because they, like you, believe that McCain is less harmful than Obama.
You may remember me telling conservatives here on FR to hold Bush's feet to the fire over his signing of the Social Security Totalization Agreement with Mexico (signed June 2004) during the run-up to the 2004 election.
All I heard in response was, "What and vote for John Kerry?"
Note that I wasn't telling conservatives to vote for Kerry, only to hold Bush accountable for his actions before voting for him so that he would not use their votes as a mandate to proceed with his brand of immigration reform.
Well, guess what? After re-electing Bush, he used it as a mandate to proceed with his Mexico-first policies. But, by then, the damage had already been done.
The reason why Bush was able to do things like signing the Partnership for Prosperity agreement (with Mexico), New Alliance Task Force, which relaxed banking regulations to allow Mexican illegal aliens to obtain US home, business and auto loans, sign the SS Totalization Agreement with Mexico, which gives Mexican illegal aliens access to US SS benefits was because conservatives like you let down your guard.
I expect Obama will do the exact same thing, but the difference is that conservatives will be watching him like a hawk for any usurption.
As for the rest of your post, I agree. McCain has to make some concessions to conservatives, at least two of which he has made already. What would be enough for you?
How many concessions will Obama make to conservatives do you think?
Piss off.
Absolutely. Who coined the 11th Commandment? Why was it coined?
TA, allow me to take this opportunity to say that I also have a tremendous amount of respect for you and what you've done for our cause. While most of us are content to post mere words, you've put feet on the street.
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