Serious Question for Ardent FR McCain Detractors

FR | 5-15-08 | Bob J

[Bob J]

This is a serious question and I respectfully ask for serious, thoughtful responses from the most ardent McCain detractors and not the casually disgusted. If you are only casually disgusted, please refrain from mucking up the thread and allow only the truly bulemic to air their rationale.

I am not a McCain supporter, never have been probably never will be. That he will be the eventual GOP nominee is all but assured and that I might find I must vote for him if only to counter an Obama or Clinton administration, well, that's my decision and one I hope you will respect as much as you ask others to respect your decision to not vote for the man.

But I have one question for which I cannot find an answer. I understand your disdain for the man. His past actions and his present positions on some issues, immigration and globull warming being chief among them, speak for themselves and anyone who cannot bring themselves to vote for him based on these and other ideological reasons is completely understood and defensable.

But what I cannot fathom is the intensity with which you endeavor to get others to not vote for him. I can't see the logic in it as allowing an Obama/Clinton win would inevitably usher in much more caustic era for conservatives considering the dem will have majorities in both the House and Senate on which to reek havoc on sacred conservative principles.

I know some are going to say we need a dem/liberal administration so they can screw things up so much that America will be screaming for a conservative to fix things. If so, please explain how this is going to happen because I for one do not believe it and the disaster a dem oval office, with congress in tow, could do in four or eight years that if a conservative could get elected again in '12 or '16 it might take 20 years just to undo the carnage, not to mention the 3 SC justices they might be seating. With a dem dominated Senate you can be assured that they will excercize the opportunity to dominate the most radical left wing socialists they can possibly muster...and they will be successful in seating them.

Please, leave the sound bites and jingoisms at the door. Only well thought out and supported positions need apply.

[Bob J]

Thanks CL for the 2nd honest post in almost 400 entries.

I really don’t care if someone won’t vote for McCain, he’s given them plenty of good reasons. But there are about 10-15 people on FR that LEAP on every single McCain thread and post their “rhetoric” over and over, some of it is accurate but some of it is misrepresentative and some plain false.

I never thought I would be getting into this kind of debate after my history of criticizing McCain but it burns me when I see what I consider to be outright manipulation to deceive FReepers.

It’s bad for conservatism and it’s bad for FR.

[Cyber Liberty]

I used to jump on threads when I had an ax to grind, but over the years I found it was my own head being pounded against the wall. I just tend to stay off the pro-McCain threads unless someone makes a point that needs refutation.

Seems to me it's always been that way around FR, best to let the comments go, and let them wither on the vine....

Maybe it's my FR age that's showing. ;^)

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks for categorizing my posts as dishonest.

[Bob J]

Was your name there?

[DoughtyOne]

Do you honestly think all but two posts here were dishonest?

You don’t think these folks are being honest.

They may be wrong Bob, but folks are expressing their opinions. That doesn’t make them dishonest.