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McCain joins Democrats on climate issue
The Oregonian ^ | May 13, 2008 | SCOTT LEARN, MICHAEL MILSTEIN and GAIL KINSEY HILL

Posted on 05/13/2008 6:19:29 AM PDT by crazyhorse691

Sen. John McCain's Portland-based global warming manifesto now puts all three presidential candidates -- and both major parties' leaders -- firmly in favor of aggressive cuts to greenhouse gases.

McCain's goals, including cutting greenhouse gas emissions to 1990 levels by 2020, are less aggressive than those of Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, his potential Democratic opponents.

But they're a quantum leap from the goals in his home state. Under Arizona's plan, the state's emissions would still be 35 percent above 1990 levels by 2020.

And they're a bit tougher than the combined efforts of the Western Climate Initiative, a group of Western states -- including Oregon -- and Canadian provinces working now on their own global warming plan.

It's a long way from promise to law. But for some, McCain's speech signals a sea change in the policies of the nation.

Jeremy Symons, executive director of the National Wildlife Federation's global warming campaign, said it marks the beginning of the "post-Bush era" on climate change.

"It's now clear that at some point we will implement a strong plan to deal with global warming," Symons said. "The urgency centers on how fast we can do it and making sure we don't waste any more time."

All three presidential candidates have sought to show their green sides when campaigning in Oregon. McCain's mandate on global warming, the one issue where he wins most environmental favor, may also reflect a rising tide of states demanding action on greenhouse gases.

Oregon and Washington have adopted some of the most ambitious state goals for cutting emissions.

"For those of us in the Pacific Northwest, it's kind of an exciting time because we have been able to leverage some movement at the state level into a much wider debate," said Eric de Place of the Sightline Institute, a nonpartisan think tank in Seattle.

The centerpiece of McCain's approach to slowing global warming is a nationwide "cap-and-trade" system for reducing emissions -- setting an overall pollution limit, then letting individual polluters buy and sell emissions allowances within that limit.

Political minefields

But in delivering his manifesto Monday, he also stepped directly on two of the biggest ideological land mines around global warming reductions. He endorsed nuclear power and proposed to crack down on China and India if they don't adopt similar caps to control their accelerating emissions.

McCain, like the other candidates, also avoided addressing some key questions about the impacts of his plan, including costs to electricity and natural gas ratepayers.

The Lieberman-Warner Climate Security Act, pending now before the Senate but facing a potential veto from President Bush, would require roughly comparable emissions cuts by 2020 as McCain's plan. A recent analysis by the Energy Information Administration concluded that the bill would boost utility rates from 5 percent to 27 percent by 2020, with the range depending on how fast new emissions reduction technology develops.

McCain, Clinton and Obama all favor a cap-and-trade system, similar to that used in Europe to address global warming and in the United States to reduce acid rain pollution from coal plants. Their plans differ some: McCain's 2050 goal is for at least a 60 percent reduction; Obama and Clinton favor 80 percent.

Many scientists say an 80 percent cut is needed to limit human-caused warming to just a few degrees, but such a deep cut also would be tougher to achieve.

"It would be disingenuous for people to undersell the significance of the challenge we're facing," de Place said.

Under cap-and-trade, the U.S. government would set a limit, or cap, on greenhouse gas emissions. Then it would allocate or sell pollution credits to utilities, industries and others included in the plan, based on their historic releases minus a share of the reduction goal.

In theory, polluters that could cut pollution most easily and cheaply would do so, then sell any excess credits to polluters that couldn't, allowing them to continue polluting as long as the overall cap isn't exceeded.

Polluters could also buy "offsets" by reducing greenhouse gas emissions outside the system, paying farmers to cut their use of gas-emitting fertilizer, for example, or subsidizing longer growing seasons on wood lots. McCain emphasized offsets in his speech Monday.

Using offsets opens the door to fuzzy accounting, though, because it's not clear how much greenhouse gases can be locked away through such methods or how long they will be removed from the system.

For instance, trees capture carbon dioxide, giving forest owners a market opportunity to get paid for keeping their trees standing. But can they assure that the trees won't burn up in wildfires, releasing the greenhouse gases back into the air?

Cap-and-trade relies on a government-mandated goal. But McCain and other supporters say it allows the free market -- not regulators -- to more efficiently control how pollution control actually gets done. A similar system effectively curtailed acid rain.

Northwest advantage

But the Pacific Northwest already emits far less greenhouse gases to produce electricity than most of the rest of the country because so much of the region's power comes from nonpolluting hydroelectric dams. Regional leaders say it's important that the region get credit for that advantage in any national system.

Oregon and Washington also are home to growing numbers of alternative energy companies, which are looking to Washington for continued government support. Here, McCain offered a mixed bag of goodies.

He would direct government aid toward the research and development of new technologies. But he wouldn't encourage long-term subsidies for particular industries, such as the tax credits currently in place for wind, solar and other renewable power resources.

"He wants to be fair and judicious" with tax credits, said Doug Holtz-Eaken, McCain's senior policy adviser, in a conference call later in the day.

Wind and solar subsidies are set to expire by year's end. Holtz-Eaken said McCain might support a short-term extension of the credits but "we'd look down the road to see if they're still necessary" once cap-and-trade policies were in place. Obama supports a 5-year extension. Clinton would make the credits permanent.

Oregon and Washington have experienced a boom in wind farm development in recent years, with hundreds of turbines rising in the breezy Columbia River Gorge.

Wind-energy companies, including Vestas Americas -- which served as the backdrop for McCain's speech -- say further growth will stall if the tax credits expire. The industry is vigorously lobbying for an extension.

Scott Learn: 503-294-7657; scottlearn@news.oregonian.com. Michael Milstein: 503-294-7689; michaelmilstein@news. oregonian.com Gail Kinsey Hill: 503-221-8590; gailhill@news.oregonian.com. For environment news, go to oregonlive.com/environment


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: capandtrade; globalwarming; mccain; mccaingwarming
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To: crazyhorse691
McCain joins Democrats on climate issue

Made the headline more accurate.
21 posted on 05/13/2008 6:41:35 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (I want my name up on the wall of Champions...I will beat the Unbeatable Banzuki!)
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To: Oldpuppymax
“McCain joins democrats...” Well there’s a really unusual headline, huh?

That will be known as a "Standing Headline" in a McLame presidency.

22 posted on 05/13/2008 6:42:45 AM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Oldpuppymax

You beat me to the punch


23 posted on 05/13/2008 6:43:10 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan (I want my name up on the wall of Champions...I will beat the Unbeatable Banzuki!)
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To: crazyhorse691

Screw McCain and the jackass he rode in on.


24 posted on 05/13/2008 6:43:51 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: crazyhorse691

Alrighty then, McCainiacs, Defend THIS one. Tell me how I should vote for him because he is so much better than Obama..

LOL!

What a POS!


25 posted on 05/13/2008 6:51:11 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit.)
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To: crazyhorse691

It appears McCain is at least 20% better than an America hating marxist.


26 posted on 05/13/2008 6:56:21 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Dahoser
I think Thomas Alva Edison's elementary teacher told him he was addlepated for asking so many questions. Or maybe she just used the word "addled", which means pretty much the same thing.

Or this might have happened to George Westinghouse, founder of the technology company of the same name.

Sorry - yes, I made a C in history. But hey, most of it happened long before I was born.

27 posted on 05/13/2008 6:57:56 AM PDT by willgolfforfood
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To: crazyhorse691
I can't vote for someone who wants to strangle the economy to appease the climate hoaxsters. Sorry John - you had your chance and blew it!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

28 posted on 05/13/2008 6:59:48 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Dahoser
I had to look it up also ... neat word.

stupid and confused; "blathering like the addlepated nincompoop that you are"; "a confused puddingheaded, muddleheaded fellow"- Isaac Sterne

29 posted on 05/13/2008 7:01:44 AM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: crazyhorse691
Obama's first campaign ad: "Mr. Johnny-come-lately!"
30 posted on 05/13/2008 7:02:04 AM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Huck
Silver Lining? When has McCain actually delivered on something that had a Silver Lining? You believe he will deliver on the kind of Judges he has promised when Dingy Harry is already going on Fox News and saying how disappointed he is in John? The Commies finally got an election where they control all the candidates: the two Saul Alinski acolytes and the Vietcurian Candidate.

WE ARE SO SCREWED!

31 posted on 05/13/2008 7:04:35 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: SubMareener
When has McCain actually delivered on something that had a Silver Lining?

He voted for both John Roberts and Samuel Alito.

You believe he will deliver on the kind of Judges he has promised

I believe it's at least 50/50 that he will nominate good judges. And that's a 50% better chance than we have with the other guy. That's not even debatable.

32 posted on 05/13/2008 7:07:22 AM PDT by Huck ("Real" conservatives support OBAMA in 08 (that's how you know Im not a real conservative))
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To: Huck
He voted for both John Roberts and Samuel Alito.

WOW! And on Alito, the YEAs were:

Akaka (D-HI)
Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

So McCain votes with Bryd, Chafee, Dorgan, Inouye, Landrieu, and Rockefeller! What a Siver Lining!

33 posted on 05/13/2008 7:25:34 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: SubMareener
LOL. Did you intentionally leave out the NAYS, or are you that unable to see the clear, relevant point? On the vote for Chief Justice Roberts, here are the NAYS:

NAYs ---22 Akaka (D-HI)
Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Corzine (D-NJ)
Dayton (D-MN)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)

On the vote for Justice Alito, here are the NAYS:

Bayh (D-IN)
Biden (D-DE)
Boxer (D-CA)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dayton (D-MN)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Wyden (D-OR)

So there you have it. One candidate--MCCAIN--voted YEA on both Roberts and Alito. The other candidate--OBAMA--voted NAY on both.

It's not a debatable point. The facts are what they are. Did you intentionally hide the simple truth? Are you an OBAMA mole, or just dumb?

34 posted on 05/13/2008 7:38:07 AM PDT by Huck ("Real" conservatives support OBAMA in 08 (that's how you know Im not a real conservative))
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To: crazyhorse691

Yes we are. When I first saw the caption, I wondered why is this news? McCain has always joined the democrats.


35 posted on 05/13/2008 7:44:38 AM PDT by MBB1984
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To: crazyhorse691

No conservative candidates were supported by the republican party?....You can thank those asshats also!


36 posted on 05/13/2008 7:46:54 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: crazyhorse691
...."Doug Holtz-Eaken, McCain's senior policy adviser, in a conference call later in the day."

A guy with TWO last names is his senior policy adviser......ooookkkkaaaayyyyyy......now I get it.

37 posted on 05/13/2008 8:11:32 AM PDT by goodnesswins (Liberals learning curves are pretty flat,)
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To: crazyhorse691

bump


38 posted on 05/13/2008 8:11:59 AM PDT by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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To: Huck
Are you an OBAMA mole, or just dumb?

Neither! What part of "No Personal Attacks" didn't you understand?

39 posted on 05/13/2008 8:13:17 AM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: TomGuy
"MCCAIN: What I mean by that is that it's cap-and-trade, that there will be incentives for people to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It's a free-market approach."

There is nothing, NOTHING, "free market" about an artificial, government mandated, "cap and trade".

40 posted on 05/13/2008 8:15:29 AM PDT by lowbridge ("I can't wait to see what he stands for." - Susan Sarandon on her support of Barack Obama)
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