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Please tell me again how John McCain is "just like" Obama and Hillary.
1 posted on 05/08/2008 12:59:53 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bump that.


2 posted on 05/08/2008 1:03:22 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham ("The land of the Free...Because of the Brave")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Change” and “Revolution” are synonyms......as are “Progressive” and “Communist”...............


3 posted on 05/08/2008 1:04:15 PM PDT by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
nobody is going to read though all of that.

condense and annotate.

4 posted on 05/08/2008 1:09:22 PM PDT by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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He’s not - he’s a follower. Unfortunately, his preferred role models are Ted Kennedy, Al Gore and Russ Feingold.

McCain has nothing constructive to offer. Unfortunately, the Dems know what and why they’re offering: socialism.


5 posted on 05/08/2008 1:11:34 PM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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“In other words, there must be a face associated with the people’s discontent. That face, Alinsky taught, “must be a personification, not something general and abstract like a corporation or City Hall.”[46] Rather, it should be an individual such as a CEO, a mayor, or a president. “

Or Emmanuel Goldstein.

Or the repetitive slogan “Bush's Fault” that has been so successful.

7 posted on 05/08/2008 1:14:58 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent read.


8 posted on 05/08/2008 1:21:50 PM PDT by jennyjenny
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“The people of America live as they can,” he wrote. “Many of them are pent up in one-room crumbling shacks and a few live in penthouses...The Haves smell toilet water, the Have-Nots smell just plain toilet.”[14] Lamenting the “wide disparity of wealth, privilege, and opportunity” he saw in America, Alinsky impugned the country’s “materialistic values and standards.”[15] “We know that man must cease worshipping the god of gold and the monster of materialism,” he said.[16]
. . . and worship power instead. </sarcasm>

Leftism is criticism, condemnation, and complaint - exactly the things which Dale Carnegie teaches you to avoid in personal relations. It works as leftist politics because of the fact that journalism, which is nothing but cheap talk, promotes itself by criticizing and second guessing the military, the police, and businessmen. IOW, the people who work to a bottom line in the absence of complete knowledge of the future results of their actions.

Journalists and leftist politicians have a symbiotic relationship because both seek to promote themselves by criticizing the productive.


9 posted on 05/08/2008 1:23:53 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (Thomas Sowell for President)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent posting. This is how marxists operate.


10 posted on 05/08/2008 1:26:09 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent post and great point. McCain is NOT a socialist by any stretch of the imagination.

Sadly, Obama is not a socialist either....he’s moved right on to communism.


12 posted on 05/08/2008 1:33:07 PM PDT by HappyinAZ
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mark for later


14 posted on 05/08/2008 1:38:35 PM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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Obama and Clinton are cut from the same leftist cloth. If either become President our country will start on a long march to socialism.


15 posted on 05/08/2008 1:42:38 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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DAYS OF RAGE 2008

The power belongs to the young people and the black people in this country...we gotta build a strong base.

2008?
No.
1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago.

2008 = 40th Anniversary of the "Days of Rage!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tydLf6n2x4

See you in Denver?


19 posted on 05/08/2008 1:48:32 PM PDT by XR7
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/mark

Great read... so far. Very interesting, I’ll certainly finish reading later.


22 posted on 05/08/2008 2:06:59 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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Excellent Alinsky overview here...


23 posted on 05/08/2008 2:07:34 PM PDT by Interesting Times (Swiftboating, you say? Check out ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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“Alinsky advised the radical activist to avoid the temptation to concede that his opponent was not “100 per cent devil,” or that he possessed certain admirable qualities such as being “a good churchgoing man, generous to charity, and a good husband.” Such qualifying remarks, Alinsky said, “dilut[e] the impact of the attack” and amount to sheer “political idiocy.”[50]”

ergo Bush is the epitomy of evil!


27 posted on 05/08/2008 2:29:19 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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“The word ‘democracy’ is one of the communists’ favorite Aesopian terms. They say they favor democracy, that communism will bring the fullest democracy in the history of mankind. But, to the communists, democracy does not mean free speech, free elections, or the right of minorities to exist. Democracy means the domination of the communist state, the complete supremacy of the Party. The greater the communist control, the more ‘democracy.’ ‘Full democracy,’ to the communist, will come only when all noncommunist opposition is liquidated.”


28 posted on 05/08/2008 2:31:47 PM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Excellent post.


37 posted on 05/08/2008 4:07:00 PM PDT by mtntop3
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These People’s Organizations were to be composed largely of discontented individuals who believed that society was replete with injustices that prevented them from being able to live satisfying lives.

Sounds like the candidate's wife, doesn't it?

May the Lord protect and keep us - these people are an utter disaster.

38 posted on 05/08/2008 4:07:35 PM PDT by WarEagle (Can America survive a President named Hussein?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Mad_Tom_Rackham; Red Badger; bill1952; processing please hold; nicola_tesla; ...

ALINSKY
[... be ever on guard (snip) “You cannot risk being trapped by the enemy in his sudden agreement with your demand and saying, ‘You’re right — we don’t know what to do about this issue. Now you tell us.’”[59] Such capitulation by the enemy would have the effect of diffusing the righteous indignation of the People’s Organization, whose very identity is inextricably woven into the fight for long-denied justice...]

[... . Men will act when they are convinced their cause is 100 percent on the side of the angels, and that the opposition are 100 percent on the side of the devil...]

JO NUVARK
THIS will be the moment good men will rise up and seize the government from the wicked power craved Alinksy devotees who appear to be in charge now.

ALINSKY
[... Alinsky’s revolution promised that by changing the structure of society’s institutions, it would rid the world of such vices as socio-pathology and criminality. Arguing that these vices were caused not by personal character flaws but rather by external societal influences,...]

JO NUVARK
I completely agree. Those external influences happen to be corrupt liberal politicians NOT Democracy, Capitalism or our Constitution.

ALINSKY
[... A reformation means that the masses of our people have reached the point of disillusionment with past ways and values. They don’t know what will work but they do know that the prevailing system is self-defeating, frustrating, and hopeless....]

JO NUVARK
Agree. The prevailing system is liberalism and it leaves us hopeless and frustrated. It’s time to get back to what works. Conservatism and self reliance.

ALINSKY
[... . The goal is to foment enough public discontent, moral confusion, and outright chaos to spark the social upheaval that Marx, Engels, and Lenin predicted—a revolution whose foot soldiers view the status quo as fatally flawed and wholly unworthy of salvation...]

JO NUVARK
Once again, the status quo is NOT conservatism it is liberalism.

ALINSKY
[... Alinsky’s revolution was not characterized by dramatic, sweeping, overnight transformations of social institutions. (snip) “Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.” Alinsky advised organizers and their disciples to quietly, subtly gain influence within the decision-making ranks of these institutions, and to introduce changes from that platform...]

JO NUVARK
But of course. We know this blueprint. Kruschev promised to bury us from within by undermining our educational system. As Limbaugh says, “... our worst enemy is ignorance”.

MY HOPEFUL OPINION
I don’t believe any expected Alinsky’s “Rules for Radicals” to take this long to have its effect. Liberalism has become the status quo and the revolution will be to re-establish what works, i.e. Capitalism, free enterprise, less government and the free exchange of ideas at our educational institutions.


40 posted on 05/08/2008 4:13:52 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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Could the Left be any more indecent? Like David Horowitz has said, when you fight the Left, be prepared to get kneed in the b*lls. The Left recognizes no limits on its own behavior. The great irony is that it’s precisely the Left’s unshakeable certainty in the moral perfection of its cause that makes it so willing to lie, cheat, smear, demonize, polarize, disrupt, deceive, wreck, ruin, undermine, transgress, slander, manipulate, etc, etc, etc — and all for our own good of course.


60 posted on 05/08/2008 8:32:34 PM PDT by Yardstick
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