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Helen Thomas: "Bush Admits He Approved Use Of Torture" [Mega-barf alert]
TheBostonChannel.com ^ | 30 Apr 08 | One hot mama, Helen Thomas!!!

Posted on 05/05/2008 10:34:28 AM PDT by seanmerc

The American people have heard President George W. Bush and his spokespersons say many times that the U.S. government does not engage in torture.

Whether Bush was believed or not is another story -- especially in light of the photographic evidence of the abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, the prison near Baghdad. It’s understood that many of the photos are too sadistically graphic to be made public.

Still, the official U.S. denials of torture continued until earlier this month when Bush acknowledged in an interview with ABC-TV that he knew about and approved “enhanced interrogation” of detainees, including “waterboarding” or simulated drowning.

“As a matter of fact,” Bush added, “I told the country we did that. And I told them it was legal. We had legal opinions that enabled us to do it.” The president added, “I didn’t have any problems at all trying to find out what Khalid Sheik Mohammed knew.”

“He was the person who ordered the suicide attack -- I mean, the 9-11 attacks,” Bush said. “And back then, there was all kind of concern about people saying, ‘Well, the administration is not connecting the dots.’ You might remember those -- that period.” Bush said.

Bush also said in the interview that he had been aware of several meetings his national security advisers held to discuss “enhanced interrogation” methods.

Surely this president is also aware of the U.S. commitment to international treaties barring “cruel and inhumane” treatment of prisoners.

What is startling is that he feels no remorse about the cruel image he has created for America -- and the damage done to its credibility and probity.

In referring to the legality of torture, Bush apparently was thinking of a 2002-2003 memo written by John Yoo, a Justice Department official, who argued that military interrogators could subject detainees to harsh treatment as long as it didn’t cause “death, organ failure or permanent damage.”

The memo was later rescinded.

Bush who has insisted “we do not torture” also recently vetoed legislation that explicitly banned torture. And Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., whose whole political persona has been defined by the fact that he had been tortured while a prisoner of war during the Vietnam era, supported Bush’s veto.

For both Bush and McCain, I recall the words of Joseph Welch, the special counselor for the Army during the 1954 Army-McCarthy hearings when Welch asked Sen. Joseph McCarthy, R-Wis.: “Sir, have you no sense of decency?”

We expected the usual cast of characters including Vice President Dick Cheney to be in on the sinister torture-planning sessions.

But it came as a shock that Gen. Colin Powell, then Secretary of State, sat in on the meetings and went along with the planning. Powell had been on record warning against U.S. torture policies on the basis that if we mistreat our prisoners, foreign countries will feel no qualms about abusing American captives in wartime.

Once revered for his integrity, Powell has lost his halo.

Now we have this week’s testimony of Air Force Col. Morris Davis, a former chief prosecutor, who took the witness stand at Guantanamo Bay on behalf of a prisoner. Davis told how top Pentagon officials had pressured him on sensitive prosecutorial decisions for political reasons. He said he was told that the charges against well-known detainees “could have real strategic value” and that there could be no acquittals.

Davis also testified that Brig. Gen. Thomas W. Hartmann reversed a decision he had made and insisted that prosecutors proceed with evidence they had obtained through waterboarding and other methods of torture.

Davis also testified he was told to speed up the cases to give the system legitimacy before a new president takes over in January.

Is Congress so cowed that it accepts the statements of a president who has little regard for the truth?

Is there no lawmaker who is appalled about the tarnishing of our image in world opinion? And where are the voices of the other presidential candidates who will inherit the Bush legacy of torture? Why the silence?

I count on the American people to refuse to be shamed any more.

Helen Thomas can be reached at hthomas@hearstdc.com.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bush; counterterrorism; dims; dumbocrats; fifthcolumn; gwot; helenthomas; liberalmeathead; liberaloldcranks; newsbabe; oldnews; presidentbush; rats; surrendermonkey; wot
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Nothing about Helen Thomas is far right.


21 posted on 05/05/2008 11:09:55 AM PDT by seanmerc
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To: Snickering Hound

God Bless You


22 posted on 05/05/2008 11:10:38 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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To: SoldierDad

Here, why don’t we compromise with Helen?

We could say we’ll only torture terrorists who are planning on targeting conservative areas, and we’ll let those targeting liberal areas go free.


23 posted on 05/05/2008 11:12:30 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Dumb_Ox

Yeah, I’m sure our troops fear waterboarding MUCH MORE than they fear having their heads sawed off ...


24 posted on 05/05/2008 11:14:32 AM PDT by Jackson57
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To: seanmerc

Talk about evidence of torture. Poor Helen musta taken a god awful whaling with an ugly stick to look like that.


25 posted on 05/05/2008 11:15:32 AM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: seanmerc
Where's her shia female tattoo/chin brand? How do we know who owns her?


26 posted on 05/05/2008 11:35:04 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: seanmerc

Helen Thomas can kindly go french kiss a rattlesnake.


27 posted on 05/05/2008 11:36:16 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA ("Typical 'bitter' 'White Male" whose vote the Dems now desperately want so bad - HA!)
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To: MrB

How about this? Let’s torture terrorist who are planning on targeting conservative areas of the country and/or our allies, and then we’ll bomb all the liberal areas ourselves?


28 posted on 05/05/2008 11:36:38 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Soldier home after 15 months in the Triangle of death)
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To: seanmerc

Here's some antidote for Ole' Gargoyle Face!

29 posted on 05/05/2008 11:41:18 AM PDT by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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To: seanmerc
No, Helen. If he had approved torture, he would have ordered every cell to be adorned with nekkid pictures of YOU!

The fact that he didn't proves that we are a just and civilized society.

30 posted on 05/05/2008 11:44:27 AM PDT by uglybiker (I do not suffer from mental illness. I quite enjoy it, actually.)
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To: seanmerc

That is real torture. Detainees should have been forced to look at her photo. She is the anti-Viagra.


31 posted on 05/05/2008 12:49:07 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: Marathoner

yesterday’s-war-alert.


32 posted on 05/05/2008 12:55:56 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (what is it you hope to find here?)
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To: seanmerc

33 posted on 05/05/2008 4:03:29 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Enlarging my carbon footprint one step at a time.)
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To: Snickering Hound

now that’s just nice... tnx


34 posted on 05/05/2008 4:06:15 PM PDT by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: Tribune7

I don’t know if he will answer, but I will. I do approve of the use of torture. Why would you not?


35 posted on 05/05/2008 4:11:53 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Dumb_Ox
Like the screen name.

when our troops are similarly abused by a lawless regime.

Our troops are "similarly abused" by the United States Military!

Our troops WISH all the had to fear were the "torture tactics" used by the U.S. government.

Ever heard of Pfc. Kristian Menchacha and Pvt. Thomas Tucker? Search for their stories adding "slaughtered" to your search criteria.

36 posted on 05/05/2008 4:53:14 PM PDT by Just A Nobody (PISSANT for President '08 - NEVER AGAIN...Support our Troops! Beware the ENEMEDIA)
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To: purpleraine

I think Tribune7 was referring to my use of a triple Helen Thomas picture.


37 posted on 05/05/2008 7:42:26 PM PDT by seanmerc
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To: seanmerc

Yes, that is torture.


38 posted on 05/05/2008 9:36:38 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: seanmerc

And where’s the dog’s butt picture????????? COME ON people you’re laying down on the job :-)


39 posted on 05/06/2008 5:20:13 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatives live in the truth. Liberals live in lies.)
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To: jmaroneps37
OK, since you insist...
40 posted on 05/06/2008 8:00:41 AM PDT by seanmerc
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