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Are Europeans and Americans letting true Civilization down by childish, internal quarrels?
03052008 | WesternCulture

Posted on 05/03/2008 5:31:55 AM PDT by WesternCulture

I'd like to say so myself.

It's time we realize we're actually in a war together and that all of us who do NOT participate at the front line have a special kind of obligation towards the brave men and women who ARE.

I'm 38 years old and one thing I've learned from being alive this long is that a group of people who stand united, devoted to something of eternal value are, virtually, indestructable as such.

Apart from being somewhat "old", I'm of Swedish stock (- like food a lot, but I'm not a Swedish chef in fact:D -) and as a son of Scandinavia, I'm very well aware Swedish soldiers have died in the WOT (in Afghanistan).

It's Sweden's/Scandinavia's/Europe's war too.

Whether we all like it or not, Western Civilization is today at war with Islamism (I'm not saying "Islam", because Islam might have devoloped in other ways than being hi-jacked by evil lunatics dedicated to terrorism).

Personally, I'm seldom annoyed by American criticism of Europe. Often, what I hear from your corner of the Earth in terms of criticism of Europe are valid and thoughtful remarks. Europe of today is definitely a PC swamp. Unfortunately, this PC swamp is today the largest economy on Earth. Americans who view European politicians as the laughing stock of global matters are entirely in their right to do so, but as friends of Conservative ideals we must realize the danger of this sickening parody of Western Civilization that PC Europe (and PC USA) have developed into by today, not only reject it as such.

Western Civilization is a culture which once gave birth to ancient Greece, the Roman Empire, the Renaissance, Modern Science, the Enlightenment and the United States Declaration of Independence.

If we agree to contemplate for a while; is it wise and responsible to give in to petty internal strife at a moment when we are under attack by evil?

What would Lincoln or Churchill have had to say regarding this?

Like said, a lot of things are rotten in Europe of today. On the other hand, I'm not exactly embarrassed over being Swedish when it comes to the competence of building well functioning societies. The US, Germany and Japan are prosperous and civilized parts of the world, but Scandinavia is UNPARALLELLED in this regard (althogh I'm rather poor for being a Swede myself!). It's nice belonging to a successful nation and I guess it shows in my posts a lot. But, all the same I feel Sweden, like the rest of Europe, could do a lot more in the WOT area.

Presently, I'd say Europe is in an process of waking up.

Europe will not slumber forever and when we rise again, the world will never become the same.

In any case, It's time we Westerners try and understand that we need MORE of unity if we are to succeed in this conflict without too much of cost.

We will triumph anyhow, but the more of unity, the less of suffering.

Support the good men and women who are risking their own lives defending the most precious of all gifts:

FREEDOM!

Being a civilized individual must always involve giving true support to the struggle for the advancement of civilization.

Despite WWII, we Europeans have not given up on these ideals. Believe me, not all, but hundreds of millions of Europeans are able of distinguishing between what's right and wrong.

No more Chiracism!

With love and support to USA from Sweden, Europe,

WesternCulture

You fought for our freedom.. It will never be forgotten!


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1 posted on 05/03/2008 5:31:55 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

That’s very nice! I hope you’re right about a recovery in Europe.


2 posted on 05/03/2008 5:43:43 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Es cual rosa que floresce entre cardos de un jardin. Es doncella, virgen pura, del lingaje de David.)
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“That’s very nice! I hope you’re right about a recovery in Europe.”

- I think we are.

There is always a limit to stupidity. If we look at what happened last century over here in Europe, there is evidence in form of a certain man like Churchill coming to power.

Today, Germany and more or less all of Europe is free.

Visited Hamburg and Lübeck recently for a short vacation. Porsches, BMWs, Audis and MBs flooding city streets. But above all: a part of the world where tyranny has been defeated and replaced by democracy for good.

Greetings from Gothenburg, Sweden to Old North State and all of America,

WesternCulture

3 posted on 05/03/2008 5:52:56 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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But above all: a part of the world where tyranny has been defeated and replaced by democracy for good.

Until the EU bureaucracy becomes powerful enough to shut down the auto companies because they're cluttering the city streets ...

Greetings back - help yourself to some barbecue!

4 posted on 05/03/2008 5:55:51 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Es cual rosa que floresce entre cardos de un jardin. Es doncella, virgen pura, del lingaje de David.)
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“Greetings back - help yourself to some barbecue!”

- The weather suggests it, but actually I’m cooking Fussilli alla Napoletana today. Enjoying a bottle of Valpolicella to go with it.

Italian food - one of the greatest achievements of mankind!

As a European and a warm friend of La bell’Italia; thanks for not letting this glorious part of Europe slip into the hands of Stalin!


5 posted on 05/03/2008 6:02:19 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Here's some motivational Western culture for you. Cheers!
6 posted on 05/03/2008 6:04:38 AM PDT by Sender ("Why is it that I can't just eat my waffle?" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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Wait a sec... I see Posh Spice trying to sneak into the photo on the extreme left side. :-P


7 posted on 05/03/2008 6:09:45 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: Sender

I’ve noticed that threads regarding Sweden seen to be hijacked by morons faster than most others.


8 posted on 05/03/2008 6:11:48 AM PDT by AIM-54
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Aren’t they beautiful?

I love my Volvo and I love Swedish midsummers drinking vodka (I’m boycotting Absolut though http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2000876/posts) watching the sun refusing to set, but there are actually even more beautiful aspects of Scandinavia!!

I can testify to it; Scandinavian women are out of this world.


9 posted on 05/03/2008 6:13:47 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Thanks for such a thoughtful post. You made some very good observations and points worth considering. I truly hope your optimism about Europe “waking-up” will ultimately prove to be well-founded. I have no doubt that millions of Europeans are indeed doing just that, as are millions of Americans.

The problem, and crux of the matter, is whether this nascent sense of awakening has come too late, or has the cancer of cultural and philosophical decadence in Western civilization metasticized beyond the point of recovery.

We are in a race with time, and there are strong indicators that point to irreversible damage, e.g. the demographic time-bomb of declining Western birth rates versus soaring third-world (especially Europe’s Muslim immigrants) birth rates described by Mark Steyn and others.

Time will tell. It is heartening to read thoughtful comments such as yours. I would add that you’re in good company with one of my favorites among America’s Founding Fathers, Benjamin Franklin, who said: “We must all hang together, gentlemen, or we shall most assuredly hang separately”... /grin


10 posted on 05/03/2008 6:32:48 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat
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Well let’s wait and see if that happens. I’ll let you know.


11 posted on 05/03/2008 6:35:45 AM PDT by Sender ("Why is it that I can't just eat my waffle?" - Barack Hussein Obama)
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“I’ve noticed that threads regarding Sweden seen to be hijacked by morons faster than most others.”

- I view that remark as rather good natured.

In this particular case, the poster expresses the view that Swedish babes are hotter than British ones:D

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1956743


12 posted on 05/03/2008 6:37:02 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: tarheelswamprat

Good thing to pound the earth at the same time as you, brother!

I can assure you Europe has a brighter future than most Westerners and especially our common enemies realize.

Listening to music of the Renaissance presently.

There will come a new one.


13 posted on 05/03/2008 6:45:23 AM PDT by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

Ahem, correction. Greece created Western Civilization. There was no civilization in Europe before them.


14 posted on 05/03/2008 6:53:13 AM PDT by Eternal_Bear (`)
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What do the young people of Sweden and Europe (the ones who will have to do the heavy lifting if anything gets done) think about the collapse of western civilization? Or do they think?


15 posted on 05/03/2008 7:07:20 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei (Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder. [Arnold Toynbee])
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As an European myself I was quite puzzled and worried about your positive outlook on the US-Europe relations. While there has been, as of late, a conservative resurection, in the great plan of things it will not suffice in stopping Islam in Europe. It is already too late there and I am sure you will disagree. EU is bent to give Muslims more rights than to the European born (a mirrored behavior of what is starting to happen in US). Europeans give birth to 1-2 children while Muslims breed litters. The ratio of Non-Muslim vs Muslim it's already changing quite fast and they simply are taking over Europe like weeds in an unattended garden. True, we see glimpses of hope here and there by electing Sarkozy, Koehler and reelecting Berlusconi, we see glimpses of hope in the strong front put up by the Dutch, outraged by the killing of innocent people for simply speaking the truth about Islam, the Danes' own Jyllands-Posten newspaper fighting against it's right for freedom of expression. But this is not enough, it will not be enough until the whole continent of Europe remembers 1683 when the Ottoman Empire advanced as far as Vienna and ending in 1913 when they capitulated for good. But they are back, more organized, more devious and with a huge financial support which is aimed to conquering Europe. This European dolce far niente attitude is what will do Europe in.

Unfortunately....
16 posted on 05/03/2008 7:07:26 AM PDT by FORTRUTHONLY
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To: WesternCulture

I’ve stopped looking at the situation in term of nationalities.

For example, the Swedish government is absolutely pathetic and shameful by my standards, but it is essentially the same mentality that seems to permeate the US State Department, the Democrat party, and academia. Swedish politicians and bureaucrats betray their people in the same way that many American politicians and bureaucrats act against our interests.

You have to look at what the individual stands for. Increasingly, I’m avoiding generalizations. I find myself more on the side of some Europeans more than some Americans in many cases. Given the same opportunity and freedom, there are a great many Europeans that would outperform our Rosie O’Donnells, Nancy Peolsis, Michael Moores, Jerimiah Wrights, Ted Kennedys, and Keith Olbermanns. And even without the greater opportunity and freedoms, many Europeans still remain better people than a great many of our own. Then again, there are many who are worse.

The European media represent the European people about as much as the American media represents Americans. Any ‘superiority’ one may feel over ‘Euro-weenies’ is entirely attributable to the American Founding Fathers and very, very little to our individual selves. It’s something to consider before launching into your next gratuitous Euro-weenie bashing rant.

In many cases we do have shared values and common enemies.

Discernment is in order.


17 posted on 05/03/2008 7:14:37 AM PDT by AIM-54
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In this particular case, the poster expresses the view that Swedish babes are hotter than British ones

Alla svenska kvinnor är tyvärr inte så gynnad av lyckan, men vi måste forsätta hemligheten. :-)

18 posted on 05/03/2008 8:09:32 AM PDT by AIM-54
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Europe, you have a choice between 4 alternatives:
1)communist socialism
2)fascist socialism
3)Islam
4)American principles from the Age of Reason and the Age of Enlightenment.
I sure hope you can figure out which one is best.
19 posted on 05/03/2008 8:49:20 AM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck)
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What would Lincoln or Churchill have had to say regarding this?

That the more things change, the more they stay the same. Lincoln faced internal strife (within the Union side itself) from the beginning to end of his presidency, and Churchill didn't have a united Britain until the Nazis were howling at their door and threatening their very existence.

20 posted on 05/03/2008 9:23:53 AM PDT by ReignOfError
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