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"The newborn is the teen's second child; the first is a 20-month-old boy. The father of both children was identified as Jackson Jessop, 22, but state officials say they don't know his whereabouts."
1 posted on 05/01/2008 4:44:54 PM PDT by Politicalmom
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To: NYpeanut; the808bass; brytlea; pandoraou812; ricks_place; CindyDawg; Huntress; Pebcak; ...

PING!!

FReepmail to be added to the FLDS Eldorado Legal Case Ping List


2 posted on 05/01/2008 4:45:30 PM PDT by Politicalmom (It's the child abuse, stupid!!)
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Even if she is 18 as she claimed, she was 15 when she got pregnant the first time.


3 posted on 05/01/2008 4:46:33 PM PDT by Politicalmom (It's the child abuse, stupid!!)
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PURE EVIL. There was no reason to take her baby away.


4 posted on 05/01/2008 4:47:51 PM PDT by LongElegantLegs (Kill them with kindness, then taser them for fun.)
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Ping


5 posted on 05/01/2008 4:48:05 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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So how does CPS know that the “identity” claimed is the actual identity of the father? DNA of the man and the children? If they don’t know the whereabouts of the father, they can’t match DNA.


6 posted on 05/01/2008 4:50:57 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (FLDS.... making babies with children because their God wants earthly bodies for spirit babies.)
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The girl has claimed to be 18, according to an affidavit signed by Ruby Gutierrez, a Child Protective Services caseworker, but officials believe she is younger and placed her in foster care with other children taken from the ranch.

Yep, all the government has to do is say they believe something to be true and it is true.

Just how are they justified in taking this woman's children? Her age?

Is that it, or are the women and girls the victims or the criminals?

Anyone who thinks the governments actions, many of which are illegal, including the original warrant, are justified in this action are communists at heart because they certainly believe in the "ends justifies the means", don't force law enforcement agencies to obey the law, oh, no, self righteousness trumps law and citizens rights every time.

11 posted on 05/01/2008 4:56:26 PM PDT by calex59
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For the sake of discussion, let’s assume 100% of the men women and teenagers are guilty of child abuse. Everyone of them, knew about or participated in pimping out young girls to older men. How does it help the baby to be removed from it’s mother? Where is the imminent harm?


13 posted on 05/01/2008 4:57:40 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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Yup, every black child born by a mother under that age of 18 MUST be taken away from her by the government.

I hope you are proud of what you have allowed the government to do.

Do you have idea how this can and will be abused?

Oh well, I have been talking to a wall for several weeks now.

As for the FLDS, I honestly do not give a damn. I worry about taking children away from their parents.

15 posted on 05/01/2008 5:00:19 PM PDT by Hunble
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From the article: FLDS is a breakaway sect of the mainline Mormon church, which disavowed polygamy a century ago.

"disavowed" = "no vows." (So a modern Mormon being "married" for "eternity" to multiple women in the LDS temple, which is 100% sanctioned by the LDS Church, involves absolutely no "vows?" Who can provide us with a "script" of a typical LDS temple sealing "for eternity?" I always thought it indeed involved "vows").

17 posted on 05/01/2008 5:01:50 PM PDT by Colofornian (What's a planetary compound w/a local god ruling polygamous wives? LDS celestial kingdom)
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This is extremely wrong to separate a new mother from her infant! Unless breast fed, that child could suffer permanent harm to its immune system in the short length of time it has to develop both antibodies and intestinal flora, and psychological or even brain damage from an inability to bond with its mother.

It is well established that infants need extensive tactile stimulation as well as gentle stimulation to their other senses, to properly develop neurologically. Unless their life is in extreme jeopardy from their mother, this should never be done.

I suspect these fools will put the infant in a crib, and just leave it, tending only to its food and changing of its diapers. And in that all of what I said is scientifically established, that child and their mother have grounds for a massive liability suit in the future.


68 posted on 05/01/2008 5:29:03 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Well, it was a safe bet that the father’s last name was Jessop, Barlowe, or Jeffs. Hopefully, this fortunate child will be adopted by normal people and will grow up to be a fine man.


133 posted on 05/01/2008 6:03:20 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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The father of both children was identified as Jackson Jessop, 22, but state officials say they don't know his whereabouts.

I'd look in Colorado City or Hildale.

150 posted on 05/01/2008 6:10:45 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!"--Duncan Hunter)
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To: Politicalmom

I am not sure what this case does to support the “horny old goats” theory. Seems to more closely fit the “promiscuous girls/horny young goats” mold. Any mention of a marriage, spiritual or otherwise?


208 posted on 05/01/2008 6:36:48 PM PDT by Puddleglum
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My mother was barely 17 when she had me and my birth followed my parents marriage by only a handful of months.

I surely am glad there were at the time no activist judges in Minnesota.

A child belongs with his parents or parent regardless unless they are proved morally, intellectually or mentally unfit to raise the child. Throughout most of history girls (women) had children beginning at age 14 or 15 in and out of marriage. No one ever claimed they could raise these children better than the parent or parents.

700 posted on 07/04/2008 11:11:29 AM PDT by shrinkermd
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Wait a minute... I thought we were all allowed to marry whoever we wanted in this country???


708 posted on 07/28/2008 5:28:07 PM PDT by Terriergal ("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
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