To: Politicalmom
The girl has claimed to be 18, according to an affidavit signed by Ruby Gutierrez, a Child Protective Services caseworker, but officials believe she is younger and placed her in foster care with other children taken from the ranch. Yep, all the government has to do is say they believe something to be true and it is true.
Just how are they justified in taking this woman's children? Her age?
Is that it, or are the women and girls the victims or the criminals?
Anyone who thinks the governments actions, many of which are illegal, including the original warrant, are justified in this action are communists at heart because they certainly believe in the "ends justifies the means", don't force law enforcement agencies to obey the law, oh, no, self righteousness trumps law and citizens rights every time.
11 posted on
05/01/2008 4:56:26 PM PDT by
calex59
To: calex59
including the original warrant When you go to court and prove that, then ping everyone , until then you are the one fabricating things.
18 posted on
05/01/2008 5:02:40 PM PDT by
org.whodat
(What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
To: calex59
calex59: “Is that it, or are the women and girls the victims or the criminals?”
The young women are the victims here. If this was about anything other than a weird cult, people would be up in arms over a child being taken from its mother. Yet, underage mothers are giving birth all the time. Is that, in itself, cause for seizing the children now?
26 posted on
05/01/2008 5:07:48 PM PDT by
CitizenUSA
(Member of CRAM - Conservative Resigned to Accept McCain)
To: calex59
Anyone who thinks the governments actions, many of which are illegal, including the original warrant, are justified in this action are communists at heart because they certainly believe in the "ends justifies the means", don't force law enforcement agencies to obey the law, oh, no, self righteousness trumps law and citizens rights every time. Please provide sources and links to back up your contention that much of what was done was illegal and that they didn't obey the law.
74 posted on
05/01/2008 5:31:39 PM PDT by
metmom
(Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
To: calex59
Fun fact: Country singer Loretta Lynn had 4 kids by the time she was 17,
137 posted on
05/01/2008 6:05:18 PM PDT by
Oztrich Boy
(Holy State or Holy King - Or Holy People's Will - Have no truck with the senseless thing.)
To: calex59
Just how are they justified in taking this woman’s children? Her age?
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Maybe becauser she was an “undocumented adult” untill they realized she was younger than first appearances ???
Maybe because she has offered no proof she could be over 18 ???
To: calex59
Just how are they justified in taking this woman's children? Her age? There is absolutely no legal reason they can take her kid. If they are doing this, then why aren't ALL babies born to miniors being stolen at gunpoint??
Some animals are more equal than others.
516 posted on
05/02/2008 12:39:37 AM PDT by
Centurion2000
(Party ahead of principles; eventually you'll be selling out anything to anyone for the right price.)
To: calex59
This is from Fox News concerning the girls age and what the state believed then and now believes...it's utter abuse of state powers.
"The girl has claimed to be 18 and based on a bishop's record used during the custody hearing two weeks ago, she would be 18 now. But officials believe she is younger and placed her in foster care with other children taken from the ranch."
So she was 18 but not now, at least according to the state.
528 posted on
05/02/2008 6:37:17 AM PDT by
MissouriConservative
(When the winds of change blow hard enough, the most trivial of things can become deadly projectiles.)
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