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1 posted on 04/27/2008 5:54:32 AM PDT by greyfoxx39
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2 posted on 04/27/2008 5:57:01 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Are there any WOMEN FReepers who agree that the 1st. Amendment OKs sexual slavery?))
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Our daughter will be 27 this May. When she was 2 1/2 her birth mother and her husband visited his sister. His sister, God bless her, saw the open wounds on her head and called the police. Both the mother and step mother went to jail. Her birth mother voluntarily relenquished custody. She was placed with a wonderful foster family. These people were/are in the same category as Mother Theresa. She was then placed with us when she was about 3 3/4. She has been over the years diagnosed as attachment disordered, mildly sociopathic, and BPD. She’s probably a little of all of those. She has made false accusations against my son as recently as three years ago to my entire family. That’s an interesting mess. LOL. She’s very bright but has very little interest in reading or education. She’s charismatic and socially very adept. She is a good mom to our wonderful granddaughter.

We love her dearly. We’re her folks and although she has her birthmother’s address and phone number and does occasionally connect with her half sibling and also could call her foster family, we’re her family and I know she loves us.

So I guess the purpose of this rant is to say that yes, what adults do can mess up a child’s head but this isn’t anything new - we can’t any of us give our children a perfect life - we can just do the best we can with what we know at the time.

I guess that the state of Texas is in that role right now on a temp basis. It sounds to me like they are doing the best they can, gathering information, working to minimize the impact of separation from their caregivers and way of life. The alternative is to send them back into what is likely a harmful situation. Maybe it’s not. That will be determined.

Anyway God bless your freeper foster friend.


5 posted on 04/27/2008 6:10:01 AM PDT by Mercat (I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven;)
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have adjusted my own thinking such that I don’t rush to push ‘my constitutional rights’ the moment a worker rings the bell saying "We’ve had a complaint that..."

How heartwarming.

7 posted on 04/27/2008 6:16:20 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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Yes, and along with that, remember that not all polide and judges are like these jokers. There are thousands of good, competent cops and judges for every one of the ones in this case--who were either too incompetent or too dishonest to investigate whether the alleged criminal was actually in the state!

Similarly, I'm sure Anon FReeper Mom recognizes that there are thousands of parents out there who are good, so therefore (by her logic) we can't question any of them. Of course, that would mean that we should return those children to their mothers, wouldn't it?


I have adopted the above tone of irony because I don't believe the Mom's claim that "[her] small foster care contribution to society is often scoffed at and even impugned here on FR." I believe that good foster-care contributions are celebrated, but that doesn't mean that the attitudes around them are always on-target, or that all foster-care families are like hers.

8 posted on 04/27/2008 6:20:24 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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I know many foster parents who are good, loving, sacrificial people. They far outweigh the bad ones, whom I also know.

No system is perfect. Why does everyone expect foster care to be and vilify the good ones because of the actions of the very few.

Thanks to all those good, decent, hard working foster parents who are willing to live outside their comfort zones to give kids a chance who would otherwise have none.


10 posted on 04/27/2008 6:29:10 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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My parents just started taking in foster kids this year (I guess having four of their own seven out of the house was too much). The little girls they’ve got have come from some awful sitations. One was taken from her mother at birth because, among other reasons, the mother decided to use crack to ease her labor pains. Another, at two, was severely underweight and her mother refused to give her pediasure like the doctor said because “she didn’t want her to get fat”. Of course there are other reasons that each of them was taken from their parents...

Now, I grew up homeschooled. I knew plenty of horror stories in the communities about CPS seizing kids, or harassing parents because neighbors called in saying their kids were truant. But on the other hand sometimes they do have to handle really bad situations, and the foster parents are mostly good people. Sure it’s not an ideal situation ever, but what is?


11 posted on 04/27/2008 6:30:53 AM PDT by JenB
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12 posted on 04/27/2008 6:43:12 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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'Seems that every time I break down and hit "Post" I am interrupted with multiple wails of "Mommmmmmmmmmmm"'

Survey: Moms' work would bring in $138,095 a year

;^)

13 posted on 04/27/2008 6:46:17 AM PDT by Enosh (†)
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I lived in foster homes as a kid in the early 1960s. I have some bad memories from those days. The last home we were placed was in Apache Junction,AZ. Very nice folks that treated everybody the same. Eat when you want but clean up your mess. Olive loaf sandwiches and green Kool-aid were the standard menu. Even as a kid I laughed at the social workers who would sing every question to you with their heads turned. “Did you eat today?” was the most asked. I always said “Yes” because I didn't want to go back into another foster home.
14 posted on 04/27/2008 6:49:23 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (I miss Ronnie!!!!!)
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High five!

from an ex-CPS worker


20 posted on 04/27/2008 7:28:14 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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It’s good that this person is a good foster mom..but unfortunately she is a minority.... the system is rife with abuse because it offers money for housing and feeding children.. there are too many foster homes and not enough caseworkers... here in my area alone, several children have been murdered and abused by foster parents.. when you put money into the mix, you invite greed and evil.. How about screening foster families more carefully?


22 posted on 04/27/2008 8:01:04 AM PDT by Awestruck (All the usual suspects)
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There has been so much vilification of CPS and the foster care system on these FLDS threads, that we need to be reminded that there thousands of good, caring people who labor daily to give support, love and a kind, caring home to children who would otherwise never know how it felt to call out "Mommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!" and have his call answered with loving attention.

AMEN!

25 posted on 04/27/2008 8:16:50 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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And some need to pray and hope they for reasons of abuse or neglect do not have to become kinship foster parents themselves. Then the battle and job becomes much more personal. The relative thinks they too run all over you and that they control and run things. You become the target of their wrath and the person they blame for their actions and wrongs. You have to fight for the kids handed you to care for doing what you know and understand is right in your heart. You can not become the abusers enabler and they look for any sign of weakness. The state in many cases gives the abuser a large chunk of your family time as well with phone calls and visits. Ever had to force a child to talk to a parent they do not want to due to fear? Do not allow visits from birth parents in your home EVER!

Foster parents surrender far more of their rights, privacy, and time then the birth parent does. Yes not even the family pet is exempt. How about 10 weeks one night a week of parenting classes to care for your own grandkids whom you have known all their lives? Your home at any given moment can be inspected. Your life literally becomes an open book and they leave no pages unopened. How about Second Amendment? I sleep very lightly these days. A serious question especially if you are a foster parent. Many states require gun locks. Ammo locked up one place the weapon another. Hey never mind you are dealing with stalker parents with criminal records violence related in some cases. Don't be so quick to judge us till you've walked a few miles in our shoes. Three years ago even two or less I never dreamed it a possibility of doing what I do today. Life's realities dictated otherwise.

27 posted on 04/27/2008 8:38:49 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Three Blind Rats. Three Blind Rats, See How They Run. See How They Run. Hillbomacain)
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This is very true. There are many loving, godly foster parents who take on this responsibility as a genuine calling to help children. In fact, most foster parents are probably good people like this.

Definitely, I think foster care would be a better place for these children than a pedophile cult!

I just feel badly for the mothers too. Actually these mothers are probably abuse victims and their young children probably are not. Nobody ever said the 5-year-olds were molested but all these women were probably raped by old men when they were young teenagers. They are victims of this cult too. I hope they can be brought back into normal society and reunited with their children. If the pedophile men are kept away from them I think they can learn being good mothers. And there are many children who have been abused already who need the help of the foster families. I don’t like taking children away from their mothers who didn’t even do anything bad to them yet just because the mothers were born into a strange cult and raped. They deserve our sympathy and prayers.

But it is a sad, sad situation and whatever happens I am so glad the children will not grow up on this evil ranch.


29 posted on 04/27/2008 8:48:54 AM PDT by CatherinePPP
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I have mentioned on a few threads my own CPS experience a few weeks ago. A neighbor from the church I once belonged called because my children were outside during school hours. Had called because she thought they might be unsupervised (when I go out I will leave my 13 year old son to babysit and unless necessary I generally wait until after public school hours). And this person was “concerned” about the condition of our house. Most people I knew were shocked and angry that anyone would call CPS on my family. I called someone I had considered a friend from this church and she came back with, “It doesn’t matter who called. They were probably concerned.” Concerned is not calling CPS over something so frivilous. Even the CPS worker said it was a silly accusation, said if I was worried about them coming in she could make an appointment for four days later.

Everything I read said not to let them in. Other homeschoolers said the same thing and posted one of those CPS nightmare stories. Some suggested to only be completely positive and don’t say anything negative about the neighbor (who we knew about because my son saw the workers go to her house after ours). Some friends of ours who helped clean up (you can imagine what kind of messes four boys and a girl can make) our house said not to worry. My closest friend told me just to let them in and be honest. Even to tell them about this neighbor. Without really planning anything, of all the advice I was given, I ended up automatically following the advice of my closest friend.

When she was on the porch, the caseworker said unless there were evidence of drug use, taking our children was never an option. She said she knew how I felt, because she would be freaked out if CPS was at her door, too. She said there was no evidence of any problems, but she just needed to do a quick walk through and take care of paper work. She said education was the choice of parents and out children looked well taken care of. She said about half the calls they get are the results of custody issues, in-law problems, or neighbors like mine. And they have to investigate every one.
I always say everything happens for a reason. I think this happened so I know which people are really friends and so I can let others know what CPS is really like. At least, in Arizona. Someone on here said that Texas’s CPS is about the same as Arizona’s.


31 posted on 04/27/2008 9:16:02 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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Heck, she should try being a teacher and posting on FR! The things we've been accused of!

God bless our anonymous FReeper Mom and her family.

32 posted on 04/27/2008 9:50:11 AM PDT by Dianna
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I know that the foster parent program is populated with many great, caring people who really care for the children placed with them, as I know many foster parents and foster kids.

The few, and I must emphasize FEW, bad apples in the mix make the news and stir things up.


40 posted on 04/27/2008 12:19:17 PM PDT by Theresawithanh (..."I just said some things that weren't in keeping with what I knew to be the case." - HRC)
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Thanks for posting this.

Special thanks to the mysterious foster mom....you made my screen go all blurry! Prayers to you and your family.

Prayers to all these flds children, as well, that this experience leaves them better off than they were.

55 posted on 04/27/2008 4:59:35 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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I know there are good foster parents - most of them are probably good people who care about the kids. There just are not enough of them. Years ago I was a guest in a home where they had foster children- babies and toddlers who were mostly "crack babies." They had five of them at once. How can that be a good thing?

Now a woman down the street is a foster mom. No dad in the house, just her and her teenaged daughter who has a toddler of her own. They take in autistic kids. This is a home where I would not let my children play because of the poor supervision by the mom. Last year one of her charges got upset and ran off. He was six years old and his teen aged sister was looking all over the neighborhood for him. The foster mother could not be bothered - she told the girl, "It will be dark soon. He'll get scared and come home." Yes, she has been reported by neighbors, but somehow she still has foster kids at her house.

I know there are many good foster parents, but would you want your kids in a system where they have a chance of being placed with my neighbor?

56 posted on 04/27/2008 7:47:37 PM PDT by aberaussie
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Thank you so much for posting this. I too know some foster parents, and they have all been fine parents and lovely people. Do other kinds exist? Certainly. And of course, they make the news...
susie


58 posted on 04/28/2008 12:16:28 PM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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