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PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AGAINST ISLAM
Live Leak ^ | April 19, 2008 | Live Leak

Posted on 04/20/2008 10:47:33 AM PDT by DogByte6RER

PROPOSED CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AGAINST ISLAM

A Proposed Constitutional Amendment

(Note the need for this Amendment at the end)

Background and justification to Amendment 28 (self-defense/survival measure)

Whereas; Religion is defined as an institution dedicated to improving social conscience and promoting individual and societal spiritual growth in a way that is harmless to others not participating in or practicing the same;

Whereas; the United States of America was founded on the ideals of individual rights, including the individual right to practice one’s religion of choice, or no religion, and that there would be no compulsion of religion, nor state sanctioned religion, nor a 'religious test' for participation in the body politic;

Whereas; Islam includes a complete political and social structure, encompassed by its religious law, Sharia, that supercedes any civil law and that Islam mandates that no secular or democratic institutions are to be superior to Islamic law;

Whereas; Islam preaches that it and it alone is the true religion and that Islam will dominate the world and supplant all other religions and democratic institutions;

Whereas; Saudi Arabia , the spiritual home of Islam does not permit the practice of any other religion on its soil and even 'moderate' Muslims states such as Turkey and Malaysia actively suppress other religions;

Whereas; Islam includes as its basic tenant the spread of the faith by any and all means necessary, including violent conquest of non-believers, and demands of its followers that they implement violent jihad (holy war) against those un-willing to convert or submit to Islam, including by deception and subversion of existing institutions;

Whereas; on 9/11/2001 19 Muslim hijackers acting in the name of Islam killed 3,000 Americans, and numerous other acts of terrorism have been directed at the American people around the world;

Whereas; representatives of Islam around the world including Osama Bin Laden (architect of 9/11), the government of Iran including Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, HAMAS, Hezbollah, and other Islamic groups have declared jihad (war) on America, and regularly declare that America should cease to exist;

Whereas; there is no organized Islamic opposition to violent proponents of Islam;

Therefore: Islam is not a religion, but a political ideology more akin to Fascism and totally in opposition to the ideals of freedom as described in the United States Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.

Be it resolved that the following Amendment to the Constitution be adopted:

Article I

The social/political/ideological system known around the world as Islam is not recognized in the United States as a religion. The practice of Islam is therefore not protected under the 1st Amendment as to freedom of religion and speech.

Article II

As representatives of Islam around the world have declared war, and committed acts of war, against the United States and its democratic allies around the world, Islam is hereby declared an enemy of the United States and its practice within the United States is now prohibited.

Article III

Immediately upon passage of this Amendment all Mosques, schools and Muslim places of worship and religious training are to be closed, converted to other uses, or destroyed. Proceeds from sales of such properties may be distributed to congregations of said places but full disclosure of all proceeds shall be made to an appropriate agency as determined by Congress.

No compensation is to be offered by Federal or State agencies for losses on such properties however Federal funding is to be available for the demolishing of said structures if other disposition cannot be made.

The preaching of Islam in Mosques, Schools, and other venues is prohibited. The subject of Islam may be taught in a post high school academic environment provided that instruction include discussion of Islam’s history of violence, conquest, and its ongoing war on democratic and other non-Islamic values.

The preaching or advocating of Islamic ideals of world domination, destruction of America and democratic institutions, jihad against Judaism, Christianity and other religions, and advocating the implementation of Sharia law shall in all cases be punishable by fines, imprisonment, deportation, and death as proscribed by Congress.

Violent expressions of these and other Muslim goals, or the material support of those both in the United States and around the world who seek to advance these Islamic goals shall be punishable by death. Muslims will be denied the opportunity to immigrate to the United States .

Article IV

Nothing in this amendment shall be construed as authorizing the discrimination against, of violence upon, nor repudiation of the individual rights of those Americans professing to be Muslim. The individual right of conscience is sacrosanct and the practice of Islam within the privacy of home and self is strictly protected to the extent that such individuals do not violate the prohibitions described in Article III.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; War on Terror
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To: DogByte6RER
From Joseph Story's Commentaries on the Constitution

"§ 1841. The remaining part of the clause declares, that "no religious test shall ever be required, as a qualification to any office or public trust, under the United States." This clause is not introduced merely for the purpose of satisfying the scruples of many respectable persons, who feel an invincible repugnance to any religious test, or affirmation. It had a higher object; to cut off for ever every pretence of any alliance between church and state in the national government. The framers of the constitution were fully sensible of the dangers from this source, marked out in the history of other ages and countries; and not wholly unknown to our own. They knew, that bigotry was unceasingly vigilant in its stratagems, to secure to itself an exclusive ascendancy over the human mind; and that intolerance was ever ready to arm itself with all the terrors of the civil power to exterminate those, who doubted its dogmas, or resisted its infallibility. The Catholic and the Protestant had alternately waged the most ferocious and unrelenting warfare on each other; and Protestantism itself, at the very moment, that it was proclaiming the right of private judgment, prescribed boundaries to that right, beyond which if any one dared to pass, he must seal his rashness with the blood of martyrdom. The history of the parent country, too, could not fail to instruct them in the uses, and the abuses of religious tests. They there found the pains and penalties of non-conformity written in no equivocal language, and enforced with a stern and vindictive jealousy. One hardly knows, how to repress the sentiments of strong indignation, in reading the cool vindication of the laws of England on this subject, (now, happily, for the most part abolished by recent enactments,) by Mr. Justice Blackstone, a man, in many respects distinguished for habitual moderation, and a deep sense of justice. "The second species," says he "of non-conformists, are those, who offend through a mistaken or perverse zeal. Such were esteemed by our laws, enacted since the time of the reformation, to be papists, and protestant dissenters; both of which were supposed to be equally schismatics in not communicating with the national church; with this difference, that the papists divided from it upon material, though erroneous, reasons; but many of the dissenters, upon matters of indifference, or, in other words, upon no reason at all. Yet certainly our ancestors were mistaken in their plans of compulsion and intolerance. The sin of schism, as such, is by no means the object of temporal coercion and punishment. If, through weakness of intellect, through misdirected piety, through perverseness and acerbity of temper, or, (which is often the case,) through a prospect of secular advantage in herding with a party, men quarrel with the ecclesiastical establishment, the civil magistrate has nothing to do with it; unless their tenets and practice are such, as threaten ruin or disturbance to the state. He is bound, indeed, to protect the established church; and, if this can be better effected, by admitting none but its genuine members to offices of trust and emolument, he is certainly at liberty so to do; the disposal of offices being matter of favour and discretion. But, this point being once secured, all persecution for diversity of opinions, however ridiculous or absurd they may be, is contrary to every principle of sound policy and civil freedom. The names and subordination of the clergy, the posture of devotion, the materials and colour of the minister's garment, the joining in a known, or an unknown form of prayer, and other matters of the same kind, must be left to the option of every man's private judgment."

§ 1842. And again: "As to papists, what has been said of the protestant dissenters would hold equally strong for a general toleration of them; provided their separation was founded only upon difference of opinion in religion, and their principles did not also extend to a subversion of the civil government. If once they could be brought to renounce the supremacy of the pope, they might quietly enjoy their seven sacraments, their purgatory, and auricular confession; their worship of reliques and images; nay even their transubstantiation. But while they acknowledge a foreign power, superior to the sovereignty of the kingdom, they cannot complain, if the laws of that kingdom will not treat them upon the footing of good subjects."

While the second point is directed toward "papists", I see no practical difference with regard to Islam and Sharia law. Constitutional protection of freedome of religion extends only so far as the followers of a particular religion are willing to hold the Constitution superior to their own religious strictures with regards to civil law. Once they start holding their own relitiguous beliefs above the Constitution in civil matters, that arrangement is no longer in effect.

61 posted on 04/20/2008 11:25:18 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: KevinDavis

You make it sound like an either or . . .

Our FREEDOMS

already have Constitutional limits.

We are not free to casually shout FIRE in a theater . . .

We are not free [unless we’re muzzies and atheists and globalists] to plot any violent overthrow of any other group or the government.

We are not free to go to Congress and stand in the Senate and shout out the felonies of the Klintoons.

We are not free to do a lot of things . . .

Some teachers are even having legal problems keeping their personal Bibles on their desks in their classrooms.

OUR FREEDOMS ALREADY HAVE BOUNDARIES. This just adjusts a very significant boundary. Whether it’s worth the risks or whether not doing so is worth the risk is certainly open to discussion and personal opinion.


62 posted on 04/20/2008 11:26:53 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

Nuther big NO to this slippery slope amendment, but I’d certainly like my gov’t to hand out fewere visas to these folks.


63 posted on 04/20/2008 11:27:41 AM PDT by umgud
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To: SAJ

Good thinking.


64 posted on 04/20/2008 11:27:53 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Melas

I agree No Thanks.


65 posted on 04/20/2008 11:29:00 AM PDT by JLS
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To: KevinDavis
I’m not a fan of islam, however, it is dangerous to give the Federal Government more power to ban a religion.

This is certainly a double-edged scimitar. Capriciously banning a religion is a *bad* idea - but it would certainly be wise to have have a means of dealing with any so-called "religion" which has the ultimate goal of taking on the role of secular government. No organization with that goal should be able to hide behind the First Amendment.

If we welcome Islam to the extent that Muslims wish us to, eventually there will be no recognized Constitution for us to argue about.

66 posted on 04/20/2008 11:29:21 AM PDT by Charles Martel (The Tree of Liberty thirsts.)
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To: Morgana
Yes BURN THEM DOWN! Why not?

It is very easy for you to pound out those words on your keyboard but if you really feel that way you should turn your words into action.

Therefore, you should now go set fire to a Mosque and do as any respectable terrorist does and Claim Responsibility for Your Actions.

Of course your heroic actions would mean prison time but if you really believe what you say, hard prison time should not hinder you.

However, my guess is that you are not a person of your words and are simply using this platform to talk crap.

67 posted on 04/20/2008 11:29:33 AM PDT by trumandogz ("He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and it worries me." Sen Cochran on McCain)
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To: Morgana

Oh I’m well aware of what Islam is. I’ve seen what this blood cult does all over the world. I’ve studied Islam for many years.

The problem is so many Americans haven’t a clue what Islam teaches, they think it’s just another religion simular to Christianity and Judism, and in fact “allah” is the same God.
Allah is NOT the same God, and in fact isn’t even an Arabic word meaning god. “Allah” is the NAME of the Islamic god (ilah), who’s origins are simply a black rock worshipped by the pagan Arabs and Mohammad himself before he began his “I’m a prophet” of Ar-Rahman”(Allah’s name before Moe stole Allah from the pagan Arabs) crusade.


68 posted on 04/20/2008 11:29:42 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: KevinDavis

The US Constitution is not a death pact. So according to you, we have to die to prove that we are not anti-Religious. Besides according to the Islamist we already do not have freedom of Religion because in there religion Shira law is there religion and because we do not have it we do not have freedom of Religion.
Also, if you read the words of the Founding Fathers, that freedom of Religion was to cover the various factions of Christianity, so as not to create hostility or put one above the other. Islam does not believe in living together but in being superior. This amendment would ban anything that would destroy the cohesion of the USA.


69 posted on 04/20/2008 11:30:10 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: Charles Martel

If we welcome Islam to the extent that Muslims wish us to, eventually there will be no recognized Constitution for us to argue about.

= =

I don’t understand why that fact is so hard to wrap one’s mind and patriotism around!

Willful blindness and wimping out vis a vis Islam is not a good survival strategy.


70 posted on 04/20/2008 11:31:42 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: chopperman
If they want to peacefully practice islam that is fine but if they want to push or further the political ideals of islam then they must be stopped. We must somehow define the difference and put legal barriers in place to stop the violence of the muslim world when it is directed at us here at home.
I do not even recognize Europe anymore. In the last 20 years the islamic world has invaded and by use of force intimidated most of the European nations. Freedoms are being lost every day as those leaders bend over backwards so as not to insult islam.
This is total crap but it is exactly what will happen here if we do not stop it. Muslims have seen what worked in Europe, we are just next on their list.
If you don't believe what I say you need to do two things. Listen to what islam has to say they are quite clear about taking over our country by force. Go to Europe and take a look at what is happening over there. the islamic people are not sitting back peacefully they are using force and fear to conquer that continent.
Wake up to reality folks. The political forces of islam are an army marching our way. They have every intention of destroying our government and our way of life. They openly tell us what they are going to do to us every day. Believe what they say and watch what they are doing in Europe. We are already involved in a religious war. The only choice we have is where are we going to fight them.
71 posted on 04/20/2008 11:34:15 AM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: Melas; KevinDavis

How do you two feel about Muslim immigration?

or local laws instituting Islamic custom to the degree they can constitutionally? (Dearborn)

I’m against an amendment myself but I am in favor of making it hard for them to institute their customs here and in favor of limiting the immigration only to those we owe.


72 posted on 04/20/2008 11:35:33 AM PDT by wardaddy (i'm hungry)
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To: Melas
"See that’s the rub. Liberty by necessity includes the freedom to speak against liberty."

Islam goes well beyond "speaking against liberty". It advocates murdering you if you refuse to abandon liberty and freedom, and submit to Allah. The very meaning of Islam is "submission". Convert or die is what Islam teaches. It teaches to invade the land of the infidel 9which it's already doing) infest it's education system, it's political systems and destroy them from within, (such as acting like a democrat)
Advance all Islamic causes, and then, when the numbers favor, total violent jihad, widespread slaughter of those who refuse to submit.

You just choose to keep the blinders on.

73 posted on 04/20/2008 11:36:25 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Quix

Islams stated goals are the deconstruction of most western political systems and their replacement by Sharia law.

If I said the American government should be disbanded and replaced by djf law, and I was willing to fight and die to make it happen, then there is one word that describes it:

Treason


74 posted on 04/20/2008 11:38:24 AM PDT by djf
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To: DogByte6RER
The proposal is too darn long! An amendment should not be longer than the entire Bill of Rights. The above proposal can be boiled down to one paragraph -- the one following the second 'whereas'.

The United States of America was founded on the ideals of individual rights, including the individual right to practice one’s religion of choice, or no religion, and that there would be no compulsion of religion, nor state sanctioned religion, nor a 'religious test' for participation in the body politic.

That one paragraph is enough.

BTW, focusing on Islam ignores other present or future violent, theocratic religions (remember that Shintoism drove Japan in WWII).

75 posted on 04/20/2008 11:38:28 AM PDT by Solitar ("My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." -- Barry Goldwater)
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To: Melas

This is really not a president. In the 1800’s the American Government banned the Sioux Ghost Dance, because they believed the dance was a calling for uprising and war.


76 posted on 04/20/2008 11:39:28 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: KevinDavis
"IT PROTECTS ALL RELIGIONS IN THIS COUNTRY!!!"

IT DOES NOT, just bible/Christian based ones! read it.

77 posted on 04/20/2008 11:39:58 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Melas
opps, This is really not a precedent. In the 1800’s the American Government banned the Sioux Ghost Dance, because they believed the dance was a calling for uprising and war.
78 posted on 04/20/2008 11:40:58 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: djf

I strongly agree.

Islam is treason.

And a majority in the Senate are also treasonous globalists about as bad or worse than Islam, even.

Just slicker and quieter.


79 posted on 04/20/2008 11:43:37 AM PDT by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: Melas
Not just no, but hell no.

I gotta agree. We have enough trouble with the government being able to make up definitions as it is.

1A does not protect religious violence as it is, so this amendment is unnecessary and foolish.

80 posted on 04/20/2008 11:44:28 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate.)
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