Posted on 04/16/2008 1:39:51 PM PDT by MissouriConservative
Several women from the polygamist retreat raided more than a week ago defended their lifestyle Wednesday in an exclusive interview with FOX News, calling it "a wonderful pure life," and saying government officials deceived them when they raided the ranch where they live.
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"I want the world to know that our children have been torn from us and that they need us," said Sally, a mother of nine.
"They told us that they were going to put us on a bus and take us to where it was a bigger, better place to be — where our family could be together," she added.
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On Monday, officials began separating women and some of their offspring without warning, members of the sect said.
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Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said officials decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.
"I can tell you we believe the children who are victims of abuse or neglect, and particularly victims at the hands of their own parents, certainly are going to feel safer to tell their story when they don't have a parent there that's coaching them with how to respond," Meisner said.
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These children will not be into drugs, porn, scandal etc.
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That you know of. I think we’re going to see lots of shocking stuff as this complex story is revealed. Where are the young boys? You don’t see many, especially around the age of 12 to 14. I guess they’re all at their stockbroker jobs in New York?
If events are as described, that might be the loop hole that these males get off on. It would not be difficult, under "no fault" laws, to divorce one wife before taking another. It wouldn't even be very expensive if the group has it's own in house, or even "on retainer" lawyer or lawyers. And, as long as she's over of consent, no criminal law against having sex with a former wife. (It's apparently a fairly common occurrence, but since I've been married to my first wife for going on 38 years, I wouldn't know).
However, there would be quite a legal paper trail if these people are using that dodge.
I don't know why I bother with people like you, try to keep up. But here you go.
Doran said it was not until after the raid began that he learned that the sect was marrying off underage girls at the compound and had a bed in its soaring limestone temple where the girls were required to immediately consummate their marriages. A number of teenage girls are pregnant, investigators said.
It had been no secret that the sect believed in marrying off underage girls to older men, and authorities believed the group was capable of abuse, Doran said.
From fox news april 11th. http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:892jdk4QitMJ:www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,349113,00.html+texas+attorney+general+pregnant+girls&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=9&gl=us
Except for the large number of children to be placed in Protective Custody, this was likely a standard CPS operation. The level of LEO protection varies with circumstances...such as when taking Britney Spears' children into custody. There, CPS probably wanted more LEO protection than when taking children out of John & Jane Drug-Dealers home.
The real bad news for the Funda-Mormons here was the discovery of beds in the Temple with clean, white linens & some nearby dogma about 'Immaculate Conception', a Biblical phrase they may have mis-interpreted...
In light of the "this alleged abuse is a hoax" FREEPER crowd that we keep seeing comment with greater boldness, in addition to the "we must protect the constitution" folks, may I suggest those who are like-minded saturate these threads with the following comment...or just use the same parallel illustrations:
For those of you disinclined to in any way reinforce governmental actions by the state of Texas as they pertain to the allegations of sexual abuse...
...by members of cults...
...which already exhibit a criminal justice track record of said underage rape...
...coupled with written & vocal testimony of ex-cult members...
...may I suggest you start showing your similar colors in other (non-fLDS) FReeper threads?
For example, the next time a FReeper posts a thread having to do with...
...yet another abortion industry employee who either covered up the rape or incest of a client getting an abortion...
...or, an abortion industry phone counselor who conversed with a potential client on how to get around the "clinic" having to report said rape or incest...
...Well, we'd sure marvel at your sense of consistency if you'd just weigh in (in a similar manner) as you've done on these threads. Why, we know, Planned Parenthood would just be pleased as punch about the online presence of additional informal lobbyists acting on its behalf. (Besides, we all know that the government acting upon reasonably credible reports about the abortion industry trying to sidestep mandatory reporting laws just might put the constitution at risk...and who's for that?) /sarc
sarc back on:
Oh, and BTW, for the vehement opposers to governmental action of an Eldorado nature...whereby the govt acts upon credible threats of rape and/or incest (ya gotta remember how many of these folks are inter-related already gene-wise), you'd ensure your recognition as a card-carrying lobbyist of this nature if you'd just please (& thank you) show us your lobbying records as to how you've tried to overturn laws on the books that mandate...
...a school counselor,
...a licensed counselor,
...a pastor, etc...
...reporting such accusations to the authorities. (Then we'll all know how "consistent" you've been in accusing the government, which was merely following up on a similar allegation as to what counselors & churchworkers deal with all too often, of "overstepping its bounds.") /sarc
Exactly. Well put.
This is even precisely where these cults get way off-base with the Bible. They use examples like Abram (Gen. 16). The problem is that Abram (after sleeping with "the help"), Hagar ("the help" herself), Abram's wife, Moses, the Angel of the Lord, and the Apostle Paul all reference "the help" after she slept with Abram as exactly that--a "slave."
Certainly, in the Genesis era there were no legal "consentual rights" issues...but it's the same scenario. Can a slave "consent" to marry & sleep with the slave's mistress [female word for "master"] if turned over to the mistress' husband by the wife to act as a surrogate in her place?
A contemporary scenario would be...if a pimp tells a sex-trafficked victim to "marry" someone and sleep with him, is that really "consentual" even for an adult woman? (I mean would the defenders of this cult really have the gall to claim that slaves can say "no" to their masters? I don't think so)
(Oh, sure. And next you're going to tell us that the fathers of these local high school pregnant girls are across-the-board married men in their 40s & 50s, and that the same was true for all these 1950s teens...)
[Not exactly very healthy or sound input for anybody's soul, Chickensoup...I suggest you rename your moniker]
The biggest issue are that the girls weren’t willing participants in the conception of the babies.
It sure does, doesn't it? Very strange how this type of accusation is instantly accepted and believed. There has been nothing but an accusation by one young anonymous girl- why should this be so readily believed by normally sceptical people? Would the girl receive the same response by the police and the press if she accused the people of being bank robbers? Probably not. There would be certainly more scrutiny and protection of the right to be "innocent until proven guilty", which is enjoyed by every other type of criminal. Surely, we all view murder as being worse than molestation, but you'd think by the reactions of some that the opposite is true.
Should actual evidence be found, by all means arrest and prosecute the guilty parties, but the authorities should behave appropriately until then. We would all hope to be presumed innocent and not dragged through the dirt in the press on the mere accusation of an anonymous minor. Remember the poor lacross players who, had they not had financial resources to pay for their defense, would have been in prison now- they were found guilty by the media and because of the nature of the crime (sexual) anyone defending them risked accusation themselves of anything ranging from racism to perversions. So, those poor young men had to fight for months to clear their names. Also, the Waco fiasco and Ruby Ridge massacre come to mind.
I hope this all turns out to be untrue- it would be better for the children to not have been victimized at all.
Brilliant reply.
(Oh, sure. And next you’re going to tell us that the fathers of these local high school pregnant girls are across-the-board married men in their 40s & 50s, and that the same was true for all these 1950s teens...)
No I was just pointing out that the statistics that are being waved around are not so unusual. Teen does not necessarily mean 14 and there are a fair amount of high school pregnant girls.
Well, hey, according to all these FReeper "constitutional experts," if the teacher detected a potential case of rape or incest involved with a pregnant student, I guess if that was reported to the authorities we'd have all kinds of FReeper folks concerned big time if a months-long case wasn't put together before bothering to intervene on behalf of the teen. (Something about concerns re: the government overstepping its "boundaries" or the constitution being threatened were the authorities actually called to enter the sacred space of a home where possibly rape or incest had occurred...with threat of it continuing...But, hey, there must be a reason why FReepers are so selective that the authorities should respond to some allegations of rape, but not all).
I don't think so.
However, women have left this cult and told horrible stories about what goes on. That and the call is enough for CPS to investigate, and in the case of this cult, that meant taking - at least - temporary protective custody since they weren't going to cooperate.
Agreed. But why a dozen words--that the girls weren’t willing participants in the conception of the babies--to say one word, RAPE?
(And why is it that the "constitution's-about-to-fall-apart" folks seemingly have trouble using either of the "R" words on these posts...you know like "rape allegation" or "alleged rapists.") [It's almost like they are downright neglegent in reading either this cult's criminal justice track record, and/or the testimony of ex-cult members]
Honestly,
I’m finding the terms ‘marriage’ or ‘what’s the big deal with pregnant teens’ disgusting on these threads.
These girls are raped breeding stock. Odds are the ‘sex’ they’ve experienced has been painful and awful and yeah, scary. They are not wives.
I finally found a thread that was addressing these women.
I saw the interview and to be honest with you, it just plain gave me the creeps.....
These women appeared to be of limited intelligence and if I didn't know better, perhaps even the result of inbreeding.........They were just plain weird and reminded me of that banjo playing kid in "Deliverance"......
They are inbred. When you have a large group of females, no outside females coming in (would YOU join??) and only 1 old guy per 5 females for years....Uncle Harry is married to his granddaughter real quick.
Many of the sects are having a high number of births with a specific genetic birth defect. Sort of natures way of saying “Polygamy is WRONG!”
I can't imagine what a grown adult would find wonderful or attractive in a 14 year old. There's a strange presumption that every adult man wants to abuse young girls.
Scary, yeah. Women who have exited the cult say that most of these girls think that babies are conceived through kissing. Imagine their shock and horror when they are raped. ugh
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