Posted on 04/16/2008 1:39:51 PM PDT by MissouriConservative
Several women from the polygamist retreat raided more than a week ago defended their lifestyle Wednesday in an exclusive interview with FOX News, calling it "a wonderful pure life," and saying government officials deceived them when they raided the ranch where they live.
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"I want the world to know that our children have been torn from us and that they need us," said Sally, a mother of nine.
"They told us that they were going to put us on a bus and take us to where it was a bigger, better place to be — where our family could be together," she added.
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On Monday, officials began separating women and some of their offspring without warning, members of the sect said.
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Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said officials decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.
"I can tell you we believe the children who are victims of abuse or neglect, and particularly victims at the hands of their own parents, certainly are going to feel safer to tell their story when they don't have a parent there that's coaching them with how to respond," Meisner said.
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There is. Even if she’s dead somewhere on that camp modern dna technology will find out the truth.
I am far from a liberal, in fact a can be skeptical when it comes to our government. Waco, Elian Gonzales, Terry Schivo....... Where I might agree that most Govt employees have everyones best interest at heart, I do not believe they always make the right decision. And if we are not skeptical of our govt we are in deep trouble down the road.
from your link:
Dave Bills, who runs Smiles for Diversity, a foundation in Salt Lake City set up by an ex-FLDS member to look after the Lost Boys, said it was difficult to estimate their numbers because they had been scattered. But Mr Bills said the figures could be “as low as 400 and as high as 1,000”.
“They live every day like it’s their last day and they don’t care about anything,” Mr Bills said. “They’re told they won’t have three wives, and they’re doomed. But they all want to go back to their mums.”
One of the boys, Gideon Barlow, said he was expelled from a FLDS community in Colorado City, Arizona, for wearing short-sleeved shirts, listening to CDs and having a girlfriend. He said his mother rejected him on orders from the sect’s leaders.
“I couldn’t see how my mum would let them do what they did to me,” he told the Los Angeles Times. After his expulsion, he attempted to give her a Mother’s Day present but she told him to stay away. “I am dead to her now,” he said.
Joanne Suder, a lawyer representing some of the Lost Boys in a case against the sect, said there had been “a conspiracy to excommunicate young boys to change the arithmetic so there are more young girls available for polygamy.”
She said some of the boys were simply driven out of town and dumped on the side of the road, leaving them traumatised. “I think anyone who finds themselves ousted from the only environment they ever knew and left in the middle of nowhere, and then is not allowed to be with their family and loved ones, and is led to believe that they can no longer go to heaven, is going to be troubled,” Ms Suder told The Guardian...
Romans would have made eunuchs of them. Islam would make suicide killers of them.
How they are discovered is irrelevant. The outcome of the initial warrant does not allow anyone to ignore the pregnant little girls.
Or, to put this in brief, just because the sheriff showed up with a bad warrant for the hootch you were brewing that doesn’t mean you get to keep your slaves!
They called them Janisaries (different spellings on that word).
Mom and Dad haven’t forced them to marry, since there is no legal marriage. They’ve “forced” their teen daughters into being raped by creeps. Can parents give consent to statutory rape?
An 18 year old is not a child and can be interrogated or interviewed without the consent or presence of a parent.
Criminal conspiracy? That is not obvious to me. Where is manipulating public opinion a crime? Hell the Dims and MSM do it everyday.
Look, I don't know what went on in there. I have heard a lot of rumors and statements that may or may not be true. If true, fry the bastards. But I have to say the “missing informant” and “out of state old man father” smells just a bit. I thought it might be some girl from outside the compound that just wanted to stir things up. But the more I think about it, it sounds like a set up by law enforcement. They knew enough to name a name, the outside girl would probably not. Unfortunately it was the wrong name. But I guess I will just have to watch and see how things turn out.
Here, at Eldorado, CPS went in with law enforcement escort...no guns blazing. The children were safely removed for an investigation. No one has been charged with any crime. I suspect no one has even been read their Miranda rights. It may very well be that no one is EVER charged with a crime here.
The point is the children are now safe...and if a Dependency Court Judge finds the allegations to be substantiated, the children can then be adopted to other, more suitable parents or guardians & environment. If it's all a big CPS fraud, the children can go back to the compound (as will certainly be ordered by the Court in that case).
A much better outcome than FEDERAL law enforcement provided at the Waco Massacre ordered by Bill & Hillary Clinton...who now want your support once again to return them to the White House! Gag me with a spoon...
BTW, Ernesto Miranda, for whose case the famous 'Warning' is named, was later murdered in a poker game in Arizona & NO ONE was ever charged or prosecuted for that crime. Seems that the other poker players ALL chose to remain silent after being read their 'Miranda Rights'. There was no justice for Ernesto Miranda...
Agreed 100%. But the Arizona authorities, who are tasked with his parole requirements, have not seemed to have acted in any fashion indicating that he is going back to jail yet.
Be careful speaking common sense and truth about this issue around here.. you’ll likely be strung up.. there’s a witchhunt going on.
There are several possible scenarios that could have led to the FLDS discovering that a complaint had been filed. I suspect that between the time the original complaint was made and the raid was launched, the ‘missing informant’ was removed from the compound by the FLDS. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn she is in another state.
I think it is very important to understand that the women of the FLDS are perfectly contented in their life style. I suspect the reason their cell phones were taken was to prevent their husbands from orchestrating a media strategy through their ‘wives’. I further suspect that the women will do everything in their power to protect their husbands to include manipulating their children.
At the "compound", except maybe the two that were arrested, not for the allegations of child abuse, but for "resisting" the raid. A 41 y/o for "tampering with physical evidence" and a 19 y/o for "interfering with the duties of a public servant".
OTOH, the two may be out on bail, those being relatively minor charges.
The women with children older than 4 have also been told they cannot stay with their children, and I believe they have returned to the community as well. (Whatever "their children" might mean in this instance).
Texas Minor Marraige age is 16 years or older with parents consent. A Texas court can be petitioned by a minor and a judge find the child marriage in the best interest of the girl. FYI, no judge will find it in the best interest of a minor girl to marry an already married polygamist whose wives collect welfare checks. Polygamist Mommy and Daddy cannot consent to their daughter's Spiritual marriage to an adult undivorced man without commiting a FELONY by causing the child to engage in sexual contact in "Spiritual" child molestation marraige which Texas does not recognize. The FLDS women enablers may face such charges.
TEXAS FAMILY LAW (kicks polygamist ass)
§ 2.003. APPLICATION FOR LICENSE BY MINOR. In addition to the other requirements provided by this chapter, a person under 18 years of age applying for a license must provide to the county clerk:
§ 2.103. COURT ORDER FOR UNDERAGE APPLICANT.
(f) If after a hearing the court, sitting without a jury, believes marriage to be in the best interest of the minor, the court, by order, shall grant the minor permission to marry.
TEXAS CRIMINAL LAW (kicks polygamist ass)
§ 21.11. INDECENCY WITH A CHILD.
(a) A person commits an offense if, with a child younger than 17 years and not the person's spouse, whether the child is of the same or opposite sex, the person:
The men are hiding behind their wives skirts.
They were told they could no longer stay with the children. Where else would they go?
Don't you mean that they don't have any other options, if they do realize that they are living in a hellhole? Afraid their kids get taken away for questioning anything? Afraid of outsiders? No friends in the world if they leave?
All we know is that these women are practically prisoners of this cult. Whether or not they are happy prisoners is not for us to say.
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