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Polygamist Sect Mothers Deny Allegations of Abuse
Fox News ^ | April 16, 2008 | FoxNews

Posted on 04/16/2008 1:39:51 PM PDT by MissouriConservative

Several women from the polygamist retreat raided more than a week ago defended their lifestyle Wednesday in an exclusive interview with FOX News, calling it "a wonderful pure life," and saying government officials deceived them when they raided the ranch where they live.

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"I want the world to know that our children have been torn from us and that they need us," said Sally, a mother of nine.

"They told us that they were going to put us on a bus and take us to where it was a bigger, better place to be — where our family could be together," she added.

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On Monday, officials began separating women and some of their offspring without warning, members of the sect said.

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Texas Children's Protective Services spokeswoman Marleigh Meisner said officials decided that children are more truthful in interviews about possible abuse if their parents are not around.

"I can tell you we believe the children who are victims of abuse or neglect, and particularly victims at the hands of their own parents, certainly are going to feel safer to tell their story when they don't have a parent there that's coaching them with how to respond," Meisner said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: concentrationcamps; jeffwarren; sect
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To: PeterFinn
Same thing I said to the other guy.

Doesn't matter what a parole officer has certified if that woman is pregnant with his kid. She's been in Texas all along. He's been in Arizona ~ supposedly. A simple understanding of basic animal husbandry principles will demonstrate that he'd been messin' aroun' somewhere!

121 posted on 04/16/2008 3:06:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jeff Head

The parole officer did NOT indicate he was there.

He has no real way of knowing.

The case is not difficult. Pregnant little girls. DNA tests.

Incestuous pedophile slave holders go to prison, hopefully to learn what it feels like to be an abused wife.


122 posted on 04/16/2008 3:07:51 PM PDT by Politicalmom (Better a leftist Dem with energized GOP opposition, than a leftist "Republican" with no opposition.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Reno is not the AG, and Waco Wesley is no longer in Killeen.

Looks like Big Love is going to get shut down, and not a few Aishas will be set free.

123 posted on 04/16/2008 3:08:55 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: muawiyah
I’d be checking these cult camps for signs of dead bodies

Now that does remind me of Spahn Ranch and Charles Manson.

124 posted on 04/16/2008 3:08:55 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (A good man has come home to San Diego! Thank you Congressman Hunter)
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To: Marie2
In answer to the rhetorical questions, who I like it if CPS came and took the 4 I have left at home.

NO! I think we’d all lose our minds.

As would I; and it would be, at least partly because we don't abuse our children or sell them into sexual slavery, so we would know we were wrongly and unjustly accused.

But: I don’t subscribe to a written, verifiable, public position of whoring my daughters off to child predators. Nor is there any physical evidence that I have ever done so.

To reference a previous post who mentioned these women on the news being interviewed, I could tell you and would tell you if asked, that no one I know is or has been pregnant under the age of consent. Oddly enough (not) these women all refused to answer that question. Wonder why?

If I DID, I hope CPS would come get them. I would be a terribly abusive mother in that case.

Of course.

It would also be abusive to stand idly by and watch children being abused and not report it. Which is why, I suspect, the other children were taken. If their mental faculties are such that they cannot or will not report abuse or are actively taking part in abuse, they can't be allowed around children.

Thank you a thousand times for your strongly worded response. The whole thing about "the women are abused, too" doesn't go very far with me.

Mothers protects children, period.

125 posted on 04/16/2008 3:09:57 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: muawiyah
All it takes is a tad bit of amniotic fluid and they guy's gotta' prove he wasn't in Texas doing the deed.

An amniocentesis will be easier if they can find the girl .

126 posted on 04/16/2008 3:11:27 PM PDT by kbennkc (For those who have fought for it , freedom has a flavor the protected will never know)
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To: Jeff Head
The date his parole officer certified his presence in Arizona was April 8. That's just a week ago. So, where was he on Saturday, Sunday and Monday just before Tuesday, the 8th?

You can drive the distance of 811 miles out in that open country in about 10 hours (wearing Depends) or 15 hours with plenty of time for food and rest.

127 posted on 04/16/2008 3:11:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Politicalmom
Check out the link at 120--isn't it interesting the parallels with Sharia? You can see how some of these Lost Boys could become pathological and dangerous, having been "bred" and thrown out.

Also, not too far-fetched to wonder what happens when the one-child policies in Asia translate into a lot of frustrated young men who outnumber women.

128 posted on 04/16/2008 3:12:16 PM PDT by Mamzelle (Time for Conservatives to go Free Agent)
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To: Chickensoup

They changed it to 16. The old standard for field hands and Mexican workers was simply abolished. Most of the Souf’ has moved ahead into the 21st century in fact. Even ol’ Jer Lee would get busted today!


129 posted on 04/16/2008 3:14:19 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Marie2

Yes. That word only applies to relations between men and boys.


130 posted on 04/16/2008 3:14:20 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: Marie2
The differences I see in this case are:
1. Their official, published beliefs are that adolescent girls should have sex with whatever man they are told to have sex with.
2. There is a lot of physical evidence that they are acting on their beliefs (many pregnant teen girls).
3. There are many ex members of this cult who will testify that this indeed occurs regularly.
I can't put this in the same league as McMartin preschool.

You are right. At this stage it's Waco Revisited - with the Initial Raid working as planned.

Iff'n only those dumb FLDS had gotten themselves a few guns, they would have a lot more support on FR.

131 posted on 04/16/2008 3:15:51 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (So you want to be President - it's like reality TV, only real)
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To: CAluvdubya

Doesn’t it!


132 posted on 04/16/2008 3:19:08 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; Jeff Head
All it takes is a tad bit of amniotic fluid and they guy's gotta' prove he wasn't in Texas doing the deed.

Even better. If a girl were transported across state lines so that he could have sex with her, that would be a violation of the Mann Act which is a federal crime.

133 posted on 04/16/2008 3:19:55 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: MPJackal

“And we all know that children can be manipulated to say what ever the “interviewer” wants. This whole thing smells.”

You don’t think the mothers could ‘manipulate’ the kids to say anything they want?

It’s pretty obvious there is a criminal conspiracy between the ‘wives’ and their ‘husbands’ to manipulate public opinion about what went on in that compound. Part of that conspiracy is to get the kids to deny everything.


134 posted on 04/16/2008 3:20:09 PM PDT by DugwayDuke (A true patriot will do anything to keep a Democrat out of the White House.)
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To: muawiyah; acoulterfan
It isn't that the kids were being taken to a "camp", they were being freed from a "camp".

Not to belabor the point, but how else could one interpret this statement by acfan?

Shades of the trains to Auschwitz

How about if we avoid all references to Nazis and concentration camps?

The Great State of Texas better get this right. If these cases are botched, then we're opening the door to sharia law. That may be an overstatement, but it seems like the only religion allowed to circumvent the separation of church and state is Islam.

135 posted on 04/16/2008 3:20:15 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (Forget it...I'll never be able to pull the lever for McCain!)
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To: Mamzelle; Politicalmom
Somehow folks have come up with this mistaken notion that women live longer than men. Before the development of modern medical techniques and antibiotics, the maternal death rate kept the number of women LOWER than the number of men.

It was the normal state of humanity for there to be many more men than women and for as many women as possible to live in purdah (walled up in a house by a powerful man), with a few turned loose as prostitutes for the use of the great majority of men.

That was normal. It was also female slavery.

We don't have to live that way anymore and we should not tolerate it.

136 posted on 04/16/2008 3:22:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Mr. Barlow, however, is going to have to come up with evidence he WASN'T in Texas.

Only if there is an accuser to a crime

137 posted on 04/16/2008 3:23:43 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (So you want to be President - it's like reality TV, only real)
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To: PeterFinn
The term 'compound' is being used by the Texas authorities and the media to propagandize and incite opinion against these people. The media so often likes to use the term "compound" wen referring to any group of houses used by a religious group. I used to live next to a family who held church services in there home. The only thing about them was their dress was Western. When you talked to them, they were normal people with old-fashioned ideology.

A woman who had gone to their church once as a visitor did a horrible crime and the media jumped on the idea that maybe it was because of this church. They walked around the neighborhood and could not find anyone to say anything bad about these people. They tried talking to me, looked at my big house with an addition in the back and asked, "Is this a compound?" I just shook my head. "No. It's my house."

138 posted on 04/16/2008 3:25:22 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: Oztrich Boy
The FLDS failed to follow through and keep the abandoned boys as a local heavily armed militia.

Still, there is no parallel with WACO. They were, as it turned out, manufacturing thermite grenades on site.

139 posted on 04/16/2008 3:25:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Night Hides Not
We're not debating the "separation doctrine", but no one here finds that particular item to be in the Constitution.

In any case this is a 13th Amendment case, clear as a bell.

140 posted on 04/16/2008 3:27:31 PM PDT by muawiyah
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