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1 posted on 04/15/2008 8:34:19 PM PDT by blam
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There is no “early death”, there is only death. We all die when we are supposed to. Not a minute sooner.


2 posted on 04/15/2008 8:37:54 PM PDT by irishtenor (Check out my blog at http://boompa53.blogspot.com/)
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Since everything is bad for us, can we have our cigarettes back?


3 posted on 04/15/2008 8:39:25 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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Nonsense.

4 posted on 04/15/2008 8:40:28 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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Of course.


6 posted on 04/15/2008 8:42:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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There is no good thing a lib cannot degrade into a negative!


7 posted on 04/15/2008 8:42:31 PM PDT by dbacks (Taglines for sale or rent.)
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Well this explains why our American life span is only 30-years old.
It helps, it hurts, it helps, it hurts. Babble.
8 posted on 04/15/2008 8:42:56 PM PDT by MaxMax (It's not the politics I despise, It's the politicians for being so stupid..)
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Antioxidants, including vitamins A, E, C and beta-carotene and selenium, are said to mop up compounds, called free radicals, which cause disease.

Geez... I guess nothing on earth is safe anymore. Time to move to another planet I guess.

9 posted on 04/15/2008 8:43:07 PM PDT by mtg
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There is no polite way to put it, but we will start with pure unadulterated BS as the most succinct analysis.

All the criticisms of meta-analysis apply to studies like these. They are so unbelievably imprecise. Also, There are not just 67 studies of vitamin usage, there are THOUSANDS, if not tens of thousands over the 50-60 years. 67 sounds pretty selective to me.

Moreover, there is no effort to identify those who are in poor health from those who are not.

Plus, next to nothing is known about what constitutes an effective dosage for a lot of vitamins and supplements.

So many negative studies are simply because they either gave too little or for too short a period of time.

Plus, the article leaves you with the impression that vitamins are unhealthy. Nothing could be further from the truth...read the GD literature for craps sake.


10 posted on 04/15/2008 8:43:22 PM PDT by bioqubit
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So should people stop taking vitamins?


11 posted on 04/15/2008 8:46:36 PM PDT by wastedyears (The US Military is what goes Bump in the night.)
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However, Catherine Collins, of the British Dietetic Association, said: "This study is deeply worrying and shows that there should be more regulation for vitamins and minerals.

And that is the purpose of this whole damn study, to regulate and control the supplement business.

12 posted on 04/15/2008 8:48:15 PM PDT by upsdriver (My kingdom for an acceptable presidential candidate!!)
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The Europeans are trying to push CODEX down our throats. If they succeed, you'll have to go to a doctor for a prescription for vitamins available off the shelf today.
13 posted on 04/15/2008 8:49:14 PM PDT by Myrddin
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I believe the bottom line is that people should take the least pills as possible no matter what, even when you are sick.

If we needed pills or vitamins to live longer, we would have been born with them, or our body would somehow make an equivalent source of nourishment naturally...


16 posted on 04/15/2008 8:52:29 PM PDT by KoRn (CTHULHU '08 - I won't settle for a lesser evil any longer!)
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You mean a twinkie and three pills isn’t the same as an orange, even if the calories, carbs, and vitamin numbers look the same?!! /s

Pills by their very nature are tough for the kidney & liver to deal with. Most of what they offer can be found in more easily digested foods.


19 posted on 04/15/2008 8:53:09 PM PDT by underground (Viva la Socialisme Wall Street)
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I think first systematically investigated by Dr. Curt P. Richter at Johns Hopkins Med school in the 1920-30’s: early eustress leads to the inability to adapt to later distress.


21 posted on 04/15/2008 8:54:59 PM PDT by Rudder (Klinton-Kool-Aid FReepers prefer spectacle over victory.)
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If the ingredients came from China to make the supplements, the claim may be valid.


23 posted on 04/15/2008 8:55:41 PM PDT by ozark hilljilly (???!!!*** Proud kid of a SACO vet)
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I was told by someone that you should only eat pure foods. Foods that had only one ingredient such as fruits, milk, vegetables, grains. Before you would eat you would smell each item and if it smelt good to you your body needed something in that item. If it smelt bad you needed to avoid it. This should change from day to day depending on what your body needed. If you only ate foods that your body needed you would be healthy.

This person also told me that if you wore a yellow shirt while taking a test it would help focus on the thoughts of other people floating in the air around the room and help find the answers.

25 posted on 04/15/2008 8:57:39 PM PDT by ThomasThomas
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One daily multivitamin tablet and 2 -3 fish oil capsules per day has been my routine for a while. I’m wondering how long before a report appears on the study that says it was the wrong thing to do and death is imminent because of it.


31 posted on 04/15/2008 9:02:04 PM PDT by LucyJo (One of Brad's Gramma's 'people'...but, she has disclaimer rights on my posts. ; ))
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Someone is spending good money to convince people that their vitamins should be tightly regulated.

This study, and the kind of uncritical publicity it receives, outrages me.

Reviews of this study that find good reason to criticize it can be found at:


56 posted on 04/15/2008 9:20:49 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (By their false faith in Man as God, the left would destroy us. They call this faith change.)
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This is bullsh1t that people have to be protected from themselves and the vitamins they buy.

It is true that some vitamins, taken in extremely high doses, may cause diarrhea. You can take too much minerals and potentially cause problems. However, it is f@cking ridiculous to equate vitamins with prescription drugs that have tremendously long side effect lists, that don’t work for up to over half the people that take them, and kill hundreds of thousands of people a year because they only treat symptoms rather than effect a cure.

This is all about getting Codex passed. They want to control what vitamins you can take because people can make themselves healthier without having to be forced to use Big Brother health care and take expensive, more dangerous prescription drugs.

The bottom line is that you are in control of your own health. If you eat a lot of veggies and fruits and avoid bad foods and drinks, you’re probably pretty good. But most people eat a less than nutritious diet that supplements are useful for. This kind of move limits your ability to determine what your health needs are, based on your own research. After all, you may want to try something that your doctor may not sign off on. You ought to be able to have the ability to do so. If you want to buy a bottle of 1000mg vitamin C pills, you shouldn’t need a doctor to sign off on it.

This is utter and complete bullsh1t. Forcing people who take care of themselves to use the healthcare system and be denied supplements they want to use. Yes, they could deny you from getting certain dosages of something, or totally deny you the ability to get something. This is big brother healthcare.

They are trying to paint vitamins, which can actually reverse conditions, as deadly, as the excuse for the government to control them. Scurvy is cured by vitamin C. The disease pellagra is cured by Niacin. Night blindness is caused either by a vitamin a or zinc deficiency.

None of the major drug companies do anything with vitamins because they are not patentable like a new prescription drug is. Further vitamins and herbs are not covered under almost anyone’s insurance plans because they are not “drugs”, so there is no financial incentive for doctors to prescribe them.


67 posted on 04/15/2008 9:25:59 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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Taking beta-carotene was linked to a 7 per cent increased risk, while regular users of vitamin E supplements increased the risk of an early death by four per cent.

Here's the handy rule for evaluating whether or not you need to make major life choices on the basis of published study - convert the increased risk to betting odds and see whether or not it's a bad bet. In the quoted part above, the "betting line" would be 1.07:1 - considering of course that even money is 1:1 odds. By contrast the line for getting lung cancer from smoking is 7:1. Given the weakness of the statistical method, it's almost certain that there is no significant added risk.

120 posted on 04/15/2008 11:01:07 PM PDT by garbanzo (Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.)
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