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Asking a Judge to Save the World (from the Large Hadron Collider)
New York Times ^ | 3-29-08 | Dennis Overbye

Posted on 03/29/2008 10:57:09 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy

More fighting in Iraq. Somalia in chaos. People in this country can’t afford their mortgages and in some places now they can’t even afford rice.

None of this nor the rest of the grimness on the front page today will matter a bit, though, if two men pursuing a lawsuit in federal court in Hawaii turn out to be right. They think a giant particle accelerator that will begin smashing protons together outside Geneva this summer might produce a black hole or something else that will spell the end of the Earth — and maybe the universe.

Scientists say that is very unlikely — though they have done some checking just to make sure.

The world’s physicists have spent 14 years and $8 billion building the Large Hadron Collider, in which the colliding protons will recreate energies and conditions last seen a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang. Researchers will sift the debris from these primordial recreations for clues to the nature of mass and new forces and symmetries of nature.

But Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho contend that scientists at the European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN, have played down the chances that the collider could produce, among other horrors, a tiny black hole, which, they say, could eat the Earth. Or it could spit out something called a “strangelet” that would convert our planet to a shrunken dense dead lump of something called “strange matter.” Their suit also says CERN has failed to provide an environmental impact statement as required under the National Environmental Policy Act.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: cern; cranks; luddites; particlecollider; physics
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No, the LHC won’t destroy the Earth

The defendants will first have to convince their own lawyers to fight this, rather than recommend a precautionary shut-down. Since lawyers are to physics as cavemen are to spaceflight, that will take some doing. I've got it! Just remind them that there will be no liability suit if the plaintiffs are right. They will sign off right away.

1 posted on 03/29/2008 10:57:11 PM PDT by atomic conspiracy
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To: atomic conspiracy
. . .a tiny black hole, which, they say, could eat the Earth. Or it could spit out something called a "strangelet" that would convert our planet to a shrunken dense dead lump of something called "strange matter."

That's one environmental impact statement which would make an interesting read!

2 posted on 03/29/2008 11:01:09 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: atomic conspiracy

On the good side, the time constant for Earth’s destruction
by the microblack hole will be a thousand years.

On the gripping hand, this might be the reason why there
are no apparent Type 2 civilizations.


3 posted on 03/29/2008 11:03:47 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Does this mean that I may die some day?


4 posted on 03/29/2008 11:05:56 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: atomic conspiracy
"Or it could spit out something called a 'strangelet' that would convert our planet to a shrunken dense dead lump of something called 'strange matter.'"

That would be like...so cool.
5 posted on 03/29/2008 11:07:29 PM PDT by familyop (Worthless male weekend warrior has-been trash with no degree.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

This is the way the world ends. This is the way it always has ended, and this is the way it always will end.


6 posted on 03/29/2008 11:18:03 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

The Mayas knew this would happen: 2012! LOL


7 posted on 03/29/2008 11:20:42 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (http://www.fourfriedchickensandacoke.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, I was quoting Vonnegut! Or trying to ... Sirens of Titan, I believe.


8 posted on 03/29/2008 11:26:15 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: dr_lew

Wait! No! Slaughterhouse Five, right?

Who knows! Who cares! Tune in next week! Same Fire time, same Fire station ... for Mark Time!


9 posted on 03/29/2008 11:30:18 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: atomic conspiracy

The story is missing some key facts, such as why should the Swiss care what a judge in Hawaii says. Remember, the Swiss can tell you what to do with yourself in 4 official languages.


10 posted on 03/29/2008 11:42:22 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: SirKit

Goober ping!


11 posted on 03/29/2008 11:43:29 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: dr_lew

Everything You Know is Wrong!!!


12 posted on 03/29/2008 11:45:21 PM PDT by JennysCool (They all say they want change, but they’re really after folding money.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

So I says, “Supercollider? I just met her!” And then they built the Supercollider. Thank you. You’ve been a great audience.


13 posted on 03/29/2008 11:48:05 PM PDT by Zeon Cowboy (Pardon Ramos and Compean NOW! // Worst. Election. Ever.)
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To: atomic conspiracy
Others have pointed out how harmless a black hole would be (1. According to all theory it would evaporate so fast we probably wouldn't even be able to detect it, much as we'd like to, 2. even if it could endure it would almost certainly have enough residual velocity to leave Earth and never come back, and 3. even if it stayed here it would be so tiny and weak it wouldn't do much of anything).

As for strange matter, last time I studied that theoretical stuff, the theory was that it could absorb normal matter and grow only under conditions of very high pressure: the sun's core wouldn't be enough.
14 posted on 03/30/2008 12:40:51 AM PDT by xenophiles
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To: JennysCool
"Whew!!

Well! Seekers! This looks like the end!

Or, is it just the be..........

No. It's the end."

15 posted on 03/30/2008 12:42:54 AM PDT by Erasmus (These days, it's hard for an iconoclast to keep up his image.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Gregory Benford wrote a fine SF novel on this subject, called “Cosm.”


16 posted on 03/30/2008 12:44:20 AM PDT by Erasmus (It takes branes to make an alternate universe.)
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To: atomic conspiracy

Well if they are right we’ll never know.


17 posted on 03/30/2008 2:09:24 AM PDT by DB
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To: atomic conspiracy

Art Bell and Larry King will host and bore the thing to death.


18 posted on 03/30/2008 2:17:15 AM PDT by Waco
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19 posted on 03/30/2008 2:34:18 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: xenophiles
For their entire life, the earth, sun and all other observable bodies have been bathed in cosmic rays vastly more energetic than anything the LHC will ever produce (as much as 10^21 eV compared with less than 10^12 eV for the LHC). So far we have managed to avoid being destroyed by strangelets, micro black holes, and other fantastical hobgoblins.

The cosmic ray background extends to nine orders of magnitude more energetic than the worst the LHC will dish out, and is only six orders of magnitude away from the Planck energy.

20 posted on 03/30/2008 3:29:48 AM PDT by Jeff F
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