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Islam intrinsically violent - convert (baptized by Pope at Vigil Mass)
Herald Sun ^ | March 23, 2008

Posted on 03/24/2008 10:16:51 AM PDT by NYer

ITALIAN editor and critic of Islamic extremism Magdi Allam, who converted to Catholicism from Islam and was baptised by Pope Benedict XVI, today branded his former faith as intrinsically violent.

"I had to do this (abandon Islam)", Allam wrote in a long letter to the Italian daily Corriere della Sera.

"Beyond ... the phenomenon of extremists and Islamist terrorism at the global level, the root of evil is inherent to a physiologically violent and historically conflictual Islam," wrote the Egyptian-born journalist, who says he has received death threats and is under police protection.

One of seven adults baptised during an Easter vigil yesterday evening, Allam, 55, is an editorial writer and deputy editor at Corriere.

Regarding a combative tone that has made him famous in Italy, Allam wrote: "Over the years my spirit has been freed from the obscurantism of an ideology that legitimises lies and deception, violent death that leads to homicide and suicide, blind submission to tyranny."

He described Catholicism as "an authentic religion of Truth, Life and Freedom".

By baptising Allam in the public ceremony, the Pope "sent an explicit and revolutionary message to a church that until now has been too cautious in the conversion of Muslims ... because of the fear of being unable to protect the converted who are condemned to death for apostasy," Allam said.

"Thousands of people in Italy have converted to Islam and practise their faith serenely," he wrote.

"But there are also thousands of Muslims who have converted to Christianity who are forced to hide their new faith out of fear of being killed by Islamist terrorists."

Allam adopted the Christian name of Cristiano (Christian), not a common name in Italy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: allam; bxvi; catholic; crushislam; islam; magdiallam; muslimbaptism; muslims
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To: FreedomPoster

And if he’s referring to the Crusades -

the CRUSADES WERE IN

RESPONSE

TO ISLAMIC ENCROACHMENT AND BARBARISM.


41 posted on 03/24/2008 11:06:01 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: ought-six

This is EXACTLY the debate tactic used by the left.

Since there is no one without sin,

there can be no standards of behavior by which to judge people’s behavior.


42 posted on 03/24/2008 11:07:25 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: DieHard the Hunter
Not much will have changed in the Islamic world since 1834. Actually, since the 12th or 13th century. And it's because of the Koran and Islam. Since the Koran is "perfect and complete", no scientific, philosophical, or societal changes are possible without being apostasy.
43 posted on 03/24/2008 11:09:12 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: NYer

The conference with the 142 muslim clerics will collpase when they don’t get their way.


44 posted on 03/24/2008 11:09:16 AM PDT by PeterFinn (I am not voting for McCain. No way, no how.)
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To: G Larry
ya....everybody’s gotta keep their mouth shut, cuz nobody’s perfect.....

Leftists attempt this line of "reasoning" on a daily basis.

45 posted on 03/24/2008 11:10:07 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: NYer
Does there happen to be a text of Mr. Allam’s profession of Christianity available anywhere. It might be interesting (or disturbing?) to read it.
46 posted on 03/24/2008 11:10:12 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: Slapshot68

“When was the last time the Catholic Church advocated killing nonbelievers?”


Put any date on there you want and it will be too recent for me.


47 posted on 03/24/2008 11:13:19 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: aristotleman

The Catholic Church has done what it was supposed to: preach the Gospel and make converts.

The Church is an organization of human beings; obviously, some of them have made mistakes at times, and corruption can definitely enter in. But there is nothing violent in the message of Christianity or in the Church’s preaching of this - which, on the contrary, has led to thousands of Christian misssionaries over the ages having laid down their lives to bring the Faith to the world. All of the Apostles with the exception of John died as martyrs, and it has been that way ever since.

By contrast, Islam preaches violence and violence is its normal way of being spread.


48 posted on 03/24/2008 11:15:45 AM PDT by livius
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To: NYer
History has a way of ratcheting up the stakes, because nature really can't tolerate a vacuum of truth for long.

The Game, as they say, is afoot.

Amen.

49 posted on 03/24/2008 11:18:14 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Free New York)
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To: John Leland 1789
This is the Profession of Faith used in the rite for those to be baptized and receive their first Communion. Usually this would be children, but since the new Christian Allam also received his first Communion, I presume the same profession would be used.
50 posted on 03/24/2008 11:18:17 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: Rennes Templar

” . . . it has also done away with many positive theological aspects, particularly reverence for angels and worship of the Divine Mother.”


The Roman Catholic Church has done away with these things? In what official document(s) can we read these things?


51 posted on 03/24/2008 11:19:42 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: aristotleman

Too bad they were not more successful during the Crusades.


52 posted on 03/24/2008 11:19:52 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: John Leland 1789; Rennes Templar
The Catholic Church still reverences angels, and it "worships" the Blessed Mother (she is not Divine), but not in the sense of that of God. The official term is "hyperdulia," or the highest honor that can be rightly given to a human creature.
53 posted on 03/24/2008 11:23:04 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480

Counting down the time the thread devolves into another “Mary idolotry worshipping Catholics idol worshippers” thread in 3....

...2

...1


54 posted on 03/24/2008 11:24:33 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: aristotleman
when one’s own religion has a spotless record of peace and love

Then no one can speak, not even you.

55 posted on 03/24/2008 11:25:09 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: FourtySeven; Pyro7480

Do you really think that fellow is interested in rational discussion?


56 posted on 03/24/2008 11:30:46 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: livius

“The Catholic Church has done what it was supposed to: preach the Gospel and make converts.”


I’ve just never seen anyone from the Catholic Church preach the Gospel. One time at the Skyway Park overlooking Manila, I did witness a priest take Gospel literature out of people’s hands when it was distributed by non-Catholics and throw it on the ground in anger. But I know that was not authorized by the pope or by his Cardinal, or anything like that.


57 posted on 03/24/2008 11:31:50 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: John Leland 1789

> I didn’t see any baptism taking place. I see a man in some kind of helmet or something on the left holding something on the head of a guy bent over a bowl or something.

Alright alright — so you aren’t Catholic and you believe (as do I) in full-immersion baptism. Surely you can make your point without being rude?


58 posted on 03/24/2008 11:31:56 AM PDT by DieHard the Hunter (Is mise an ceann-cinnidh. Cha ghéill mi do dhuine. Fàg am bealach.)
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To: John Leland 1789

He probably took a Jack Chick tract out of somebody’s hands and threw it on the ground.

If you would like to see the Bible treated reverently, come to Mass sometime.


59 posted on 03/24/2008 11:36:13 AM PDT by livius
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To: aristotleman

“Linking religions to violence in public can only be done when one’s own religion has a spotless record of peace and love. Of course, the catholic church has an impeccable past of religious tolerance.”

Arrogance and ignorance in one felt swoop. I suppose The United States has no right to critique the human rights of
China or Cuba as well. Afterall, the US used slaves and denied human rights to slaves in its early days.


60 posted on 03/24/2008 11:37:18 AM PDT by rbmillerjr ("bigger government means constricting freedom"....................RWR)
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