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Hopes for Wireless Cities Fade as Internet Providers Pull Out
New York Times ^ | March 22, 2008 | Ian Urbina

Posted on 03/24/2008 8:07:50 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy

PHILADELPHIA — It was hailed as Internet for the masses when Philadelphia officials announced plans in 2005 to erect the largest municipal Wi-Fi grid in the country, stretching wireless access over 135 square miles with the hope of bringing free or low-cost service to all residents, especially the poor.

Municipal officials in Chicago, Houston, San Francisco and 10 other major cities, as well as dozens of smaller towns, quickly said they would match Philadelphia’s plans.

But the excited momentum has sputtered to a standstill, tripped up by unrealistic ambitions and technological glitches. The conclusion that such ventures would not be profitable led to sudden withdrawals by service providers like EarthLink, the Internet company that had effectively cornered the market on the efforts by the larger cities.

Now, community organizations worry about their prospects for helping poor neighborhoods get online.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: digitaldivide; earthlink; free; internet; urban; wifi; wireless
From the article:

“If we don’t have Internet, that means I’ve got to take the bus to the public library after dark, and around here, that’s not always real safe,” Cesar said, seated in front of his family’s new computer in a gritty section of Hunting Park in North Philadelphia. His family is among the 1,000 or so low-income households that now have free or discounted Wi-Fi access through the city’s project, and many of them worry about losing access that they cannot otherwise afford.

How much do you want to bet that they have found some way to pay for cable TV?

You can get low cost dial up Internet from several commercial ISPs for under $10 a month. If you can afford any sort of computer, you can afford to buy Internet service.

1 posted on 03/24/2008 8:07:52 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Porn for the Poor!


2 posted on 03/24/2008 8:09:32 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Steely's First Law of the Main Stream Media: if it doesn't advance the agenda, it's not news.)
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To: F15Eagle
"I am getting naked DSL from AT&T for about $34/mo"

We are getting DSL from ATT for 24.95/mon. No hard line phone service, but we do have our cells (wife and I) through ATT, she has to have it for work.

I would dump ATT DSL if I could find a better deal price wise than ATT....I hate ATT.
4 posted on 03/24/2008 8:14:14 AM PDT by The Louiswu (An opinion is what you have when you have no facts. When you have facts, you don't need an opinion.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
How much do you want to bet that they have found some way to pay for cable TV?

I just thought it needed repeating.

I teach information policy at the graduate level. Students often come in to class thinking 'we' should provide such services to the poor, without thinking just who 'we' is and where 'we' get the money to pay for all this. I feel it's my job to disabuse them of the notion that the government is the answer to every freakin' problem that comes down the pike.

5 posted on 03/24/2008 8:25:51 AM PDT by radiohead (I stood up for Fred at the Iowa Caucus. Where were the rest of you so-called conservatives?)
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To: F15Eagle

Funny how service works out—I’m with two companies (Time Warner for high-speed Internet + cable + home phone and Verizon for cellphone) that friends and acquaintances have had huge problems with. Yet my Road Runner high-speed is almost bulletproof and blindingly fast, and I’ve actually had very good customer service with Verizon Wireless.

The downside is that I’m paying an arm, a leg, and half a spleen for both.

}:-)4


7 posted on 03/24/2008 8:39:49 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey GOP...don't move toward the middle. Move the middle toward us.)
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To: Moose4
The downside is that I’m paying an arm, a leg, and half a spleen for both.

I'm with ATT for both, home & mobile access. A little slower on the DSL, but I get to keep my entire spleen. ;)

8 posted on 03/24/2008 8:44:35 AM PDT by kAcknor ("A pistol! Are you expecting trouble sir?" "No ma'am, were I expecting trouble I'd have a rifle.")
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To: Bubba_Leroy
I know of people who don't have Internet access and can afford it. Some folks are just against technology in general.

My son's best friend, for example, comes to our home so they can play games on-line together. His father doesn't want the Internet in their home even though the rest of the family does.

10 posted on 03/24/2008 8:54:27 AM PDT by OneRatToGo
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To: kAcknor

Well, probably admitting my own stupidity here, but...for digital cable (no premium channels, but all the tiered stuff), high-speed Internet, and home phone with unlimited long distance, I’m paying about $165 a month. For two cellphones with 1400 minutes, unlimited “In” calling, phone insurance, and a crapton of text messages, Verizon hits me for about $120.

Next place we move, I’m ditching the landline. We lived for two years without one in Richmond and didn’t miss it one bit. BTW, Time Warner’s service here in NC is MUCH better than Comcrap’s was up in Virginia. Every time I travel to a Comcast city and see those stupid “it’s Comcastic!” commercials, my gag reflex kicks in.

}:-)4


11 posted on 03/24/2008 8:55:36 AM PDT by Moose4 (Hey GOP...don't move toward the middle. Move the middle toward us.)
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To: radiohead

radiohead, I just want to thank you for your good work. Keep it up!

There is clearly a disconnect as to where the government gets its money!!


12 posted on 03/24/2008 9:11:18 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Typical leftist...
“The entire for-profit model is the reason for the collapse in all these projects,” said Sascha Meinrath, technology analyst at the New America Foundation, a nonprofit research organization in Washington.


13 posted on 03/24/2008 9:14:41 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: griswold3
Typical leftist... “The entire for-profit model is the reason for the collapse in all these projects,” said Sascha Meinrath, technology analyst at the New America Foundation, a nonprofit research organization in Washington.

I signed my Mom up for Philly Wireless right after Christmas - got her a nice pc with all the trimmings. I'll tell you why it failed in Philly - because it sux! completely. Once you've signed up and they get the $$$, you can forget about getting any support -which I believe is not in the US (which is a funny thing in itself).

The hardware and software needed better tech support and tech support for the users was extremely poor.

Just think about how Philly selects companies when putting out a project to bid. Now once those companies get their (read my) money, they have no real desire to produce.

In the real word, when a business spends real money, there is a lot of vetting that goes on to prove that the investment is wise. ROI...

14 posted on 03/24/2008 9:25:40 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: Moose4

I dumped the cable years ago...just got one of those DTV converter boxes for my 27” TV on Friday at Best Buy (using a government coupon) TV is still all crap, but at least it is crystal clear...even using rabbit ears.

I have Verizon for my phone, and have Broadband Wireless with my laptop. Still comes out to $120 a month...but I can use my laptop nearly anywhere at lower speeds. If I need higher speeds at home, I can log into some of the open connections in the neighbhorhood.

Our City of Burbank has free wireless just in the Downtown area....I tried it out once and didnt think it was too fast or reliable. They make you click a notice that you are not a business...not sure how they audit that....


15 posted on 03/24/2008 9:26:14 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: NativeSon

Thus the old adum:
You get what you pay for.


16 posted on 03/24/2008 9:51:52 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al queda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
Now, community organizations worry about their prospects for helping poor neighborhoods get online.

That's as far as I read. Screw the Left. Our so-called "poor" have computers. As Will Rodgers once said, Americans are the first people to ride to the poorhouse in an automobile.

17 posted on 03/24/2008 10:19:38 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (When hopelessness replaces hope, it opens the door to evil.)
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To: radiohead
For many years I worked in retail. More often than not when someone would use food stamps to pay for food they would then pull out cash to pay for beer and cigarettes.

Perhaps I am just a mean and uncaring redneck, but I resent high speed wireless Internet access joining the long list of government entitlements that I have to work and pay for someone else to have.

18 posted on 03/24/2008 11:11:14 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy ("I believe in Santa Claus. I believe in the tooth fairy." - John Edwards)
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To: griswold3
You get what you pay for.

true, but ya' know, it really wasn't such a good deal. Ended up going to Verizon and everything is perfect. Now if she only could figure out how to respond to emails...

19 posted on 03/24/2008 11:36:59 AM PDT by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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