Vatican Adds 7 Deadly Sins Including Abortion, Contraception & Drug Dealing

FOX ^ | 03/10/08 | Richard Owen

[Froufrou]

The list came as the Pope deplored the “decreasing sense of sin” in today’s “secularized world” and the falling numbers of Roman Catholics going to confession.

The Catholic Church divides sins into venial, or less serious, sins and mortal sins, which threaten the soul with eternal damnation unless absolved before death through confession and penitence.

It holds mortal sins to be “grave violations of the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes,” including murder, contraception, abortion, perjury, adultery and lust.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that “immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into Hell.”

Although there is no definitive list of mortal sins, many believers accept the broad seven deadly sins or capital vices laid down in the 6th century by Pope Gregory the Great and popularized in the Middle Ages by Dante in "The Inferno": lust, gluttony, avarice, sloth, anger, envy and pride.

Christians are exhorted instead to adhere to the seven holy virtues: chastity, abstinence, temperance, diligence, patience, kindness and humility.

Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body which oversees confessions and plenary indulgences, said after a week-long Lenten seminar for priests that surveys showed 60 percent of Catholics in Italy no longer went to confession.

He said that priests must take account of “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as a corollary of the unstoppable process of globalization.” Whereas sin in the past was thought of as being an individual matter, it now has “social resonance.”

“You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos,” he said.

[Wuli]

the context is:

“And Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so it came about that when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground, in order not to give offspring to his brother.”

specifically, onan and his deceased brother’s wife

not onan alone

many rabbis have continued to debate whether or not this is a betrayal of the marriage bed to his brother’s wife, denying what was hers, or more

those that believe it points to the later (or more) believe it points to masterbation as well; those that believe it points to the former (the essential given context) believe it does not

[The Woim]

Of course birth control hinders the love between a husband and a wife. Birth control is an affirmation of atheism - albeit it’s tacitly stated.

Birth control is a big “God get out” sign.

Yours truly,
The Woim

[The Woim]

Refrain from moral relativism ad reductio absurdio... LOL!

God made doctors???? Since the Catholic Church operates more hospitals than the U.S. government and, interestingly, the Catholic Church can’t send a tank to your house if your behind in your tithing the way the govt can seize your properties if you don’t pay your taxes.

My stand is this. And it was the stand of all protestant churches pre-1930. Birth Control reduces the love of marriage to engaging in mutual masturbation. It also reduces a woman to a sex toy because she’s been degraded from “potential mother” to “semen depository” and folks, that’s a bust in rank.

Remember, if your using contraceptions, you can turn your back on evil and do good. It’s not a one strike and your out game.

Yours truly,
The Woim

[The Woim]

You have my sincere condolences for your three miscarriages. My wife suffered two miscarriages before we gave birth to our youngest daughter.

Yours truly,
The Woim

[Wuli]

really, and exclusively????? sex is purely biology and follows purely biological demands and employs purely biological functions???

- ‘The Digestive system is for digestion’

so what do the lips, the mouth, the tongue have to do with ‘the reproductive system’??? nothing, but, apparently, in almost NO human society do they NOT have something to do with sex

are the use of those non-biological, non-reproductive related parts/functions ‘sinful’ in sex

female breasts are needed for, and part of the post-birth requirements for the infant, but are not biological fixtures for reproduction itself

is their adoration by the male during sex sinful???

and let’s not even ask about the male breast, ear lobes, the eyes, the nose of either gender and other ‘non-reproductive’ body parts

if sex was purely, and restricted purely, to only those human physical attributes attributable to purely functional reproductive elements, we would not recognize the resulting human society as human

ergo, in humans, it is not purely and simply fulfilling nothing but biology

ergo biological necessity alone cannot define it

[Wuli]

“It’s exactly analogous to binging and purging, except worse, since it’s an abuse of one of man’s greatest powers, the ability to cooperate in the creation of new souls”

not true, and hypocritical of the church to say it is

the very idea of the rythym method, as the only way of contraception, is to - by being sure of the woman’s cycle to know when she is fertile and when not - to, by human reason, try and be sure the man is wasting his seed when his wife is infertile - past the last menstruation and before eggs have been released from the ovum again

deliberating avoiding the creation of ‘new souls’

others believe all ‘souls’ are already created, just waiting an earthly sojourn

is god, engaged and directly, in an immediate sense, making or preventing each possible human reproduction to occur, or not???

i don’t think so

as much as we see our children as a gift from god, as they are one of god’s child primarily, and before they are ours, it is by our choices, for good or bad, that we participate, or fail to, in that great giving from god

if man were just an automaton, even when he’s good, you could throw alot of genesis out

[Mrs. Don-o]

"Bishop Girotti ...said that two mortal sins which continued to preoccupy the Vatican were abortion, which offended “the dignity and rights of women,” and pedophilia, which had even infected the clergy itself and so had exposed the “human and institutional fragility of the Church.”"

Sometimes it helps to read the article.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"More ways to go to H**L?"

No, it's still basically the same old $h!+...

[brazzaville]

Good afternoon.

How about voting DemocRAT?

Michael Frazier

[Wuli]

“Here’s the difference. Birth control is not just abstaining from sex. It is making a conscious choice to have the pleasure of sex but then to deliberately make it artificially infertile.”

the moral difference between

onan says he will knowingly have sex intending to cheat the reproduction commandment to be fruitful and multiply by wearing a condom

and

onan says he will knowingly have sex intending cheat the reproductive commandment to be fruitful and multiply, by artificially controlling his times of sleeping with his wife, to artificially avoid her fertile eggs

is a purely theological distinction without a moral difference

[Alas Babylon!]

No, Jesus said there were two commandments:

Matthew Chapter 22:

37 He said to him, "You shall love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.
38 This is the greatest and the first commandment.
39 The second is like it: 23 You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
40 24 The whole law and the prophets depend on these two commandments."

[Wuli]

“So, the simple answer is Jesus forgives our sins.”

so, as most of us say, go to Yeshua in the first place, period

[Mrs. Don-o]

The conditions for a mortal sin:

• grave matter: the act is seriously morally wrong
• adequate knowledge: the person knows what he's doing, and knows it's gravely wrong
• full consent: the person freely consents or wills to do it anyway.

If a scientific experiment is "morally debatable," e.g. destructive experimentation of an entity which may or may not be a human embryo --- for instance an embryo with genetically modified DNA that was of partly human, partly animal, and partly synthetic origin --- the scientist is obliged to make sure it isn't human if there is any question.

Nothing new here. It's the old "Is that a deer in the bushes, or is it a hunter" dilemma. You don't shoot unless you now for sure that you're not shooting at a human.

[Wuli]

Contraception is usurping God’s domaine.

truly???

if i have five kids and having five more will take food from the table of the first five, just to give some scraps to the second five

have i sinned most if i do, or do not start to use condoms??

i thought most basic forms of contraception was so as to not be like the animals and use our god given reason, not to deny our natural passions but control their possible ill consequences if not balanced by actions derived from that reason

[Mrs. Don-o]

"contraception? using a condom is now a mortal sin?"

Nothing new here. It's been considered a sin since Onan (Genesis) and that was the view of the original Protestant reformeres as well: Luther, Calcin, etc. There's not one Christian denomination that approved of contraception until the Anglican's OK'ed it at their Lambeth Conference in 1930.

[Jaded]

Uh, no. The question is the same as it has been since time immemorial.... God: “Do you trust Me?”

[timm22]

Thank you.

This has been a very nice discussion. It has reminded me of one of the reasons I admire Catholicism (even though I don't embrace it); unlike many religions, it has the ability to integrate reason along with faith and scripture.

[timm22]

Birth Control reduces the love of marriage to engaging in mutual masturbation. It also reduces a woman to a sex toy because she’s been degraded from “potential mother” to “semen depository” and folks, that’s a bust in rank.

In post #182, you suggested that wives could perform fellatio as an alternative to procreative sex. You also suggested that a couple could continue sex after menopause (when procreation would be impossible).

Wouldn't those activities also reduce the love of marriage to mutual masturbation? And wouldn't they also degrade the wife to being a "depository"...particularly the former option?

It seems like your comments are inconsistent, unless I completely overlooked some underlying sarcasm.

[ChurtleDawg]

I was not surprised by the fact that it is sinful...I was shocked that it was put on the same level as abortion and causing poverty etc etc.

I am Catholic myself, and I know how the Catholic Church feels about contraception. That is no secret.

[JRios1968]

No, it's still basically the same old $h!+...

You gotta be $h!++!ng me...