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New Ammo Causing New Fears For Police (Sensationalism alert)
KOTV Channel 6 Tulsa ^ | 2-29-08 | Lori Fullbright

Posted on 02/29/2008 5:32:07 AM PST by OKSooner

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Police are facing a deadly new threat. It's a new type of ammunition that can penetrate a bullet-proof vest. News On 6 crime reporter Lori Fullbright found anyone can buy it.

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Brian Hill with Tulsa's U.S. Shooting Academy agreed to help test the ammunition.

The academy teaches everything from basic self-defense to highly specialized weapons training to citizens, police officers and the military.

A police vest was put on a dummy and Hill took a couple of shots.

It could be seen that the vest was penetrated all the way through.

The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma.

Hill says NATO would not allow the military to use something like this, because although it can kill, it's intended to maim. He says to get self-protection, there are much better choices.

"If stopping an intruder in your home is your goal, this isn't the first or second ammo you should choose, its way down the list," said Hill.

The results were shown to tactical expert Sergeant Luke Sherman with the Tulsa Police Department.

Sergeant Sherman says officers worry more about seeing a gun than what ammunition is inside, but it's still hard to understand, marketing something that penetrates a vest.

"Millions of Americans have firearms and are always experimenting with new things. Maybe it was somebody's idea to market something that will be neat down the road, but, to me, it's not," said Sergeant Sherman.

One of the shells contains a dozen steel darts, just as advertised.

Hill shot the vest with a .40-caliber firearm. The bullet did not penetrate the 15-year-old vest.

The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.

One sergeant recently briefed his squad on this new ammunition, just to make them aware it exists.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; leo; sensationalism
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To: OKSooner

“The ammunition is legal...”

Second to last sentence. So try to ban it, you Nanny Staters. The Bad Guys will still have it.


21 posted on 02/29/2008 6:07:39 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: OKSooner
Another predecessor article and warning memo from the “anti-gun” fraternal order of police unions, next will be more legislation preventing Americans access to this dangerous, evil, life threatening and cop killing ammo>

It is amazing that no tests have been conducted, and all of the claims that this ammo will do is strictly conjecture> Kind of reminds me of when this company made a handgun ammo that claimed to pierce bullet proof vests, and anti gun Schumer immediately introduced a Senate Bill to out law the ammo. In the end, the ammo was a joke, it never existed! By the way, the law outlawing the ammo is still on the books.

First scare the hell out of everyone, get the public on board against the “cop killing ammo” then when the legislature outlaws it, the public doesn’t care.

Boil that frog a little at a time, never all at once, it will jump out of the pan.

22 posted on 02/29/2008 6:07:59 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: from occupied ga; ninonitti; Squantos
Sure as hell wouldn't want to be a roofer today. 4 new inches of global warming up there already just this morning.

A safety alert put out by the Atlanta Police Department's homeland security unit, warns officers to be extra careful because of the ammunition.

Some of those "safety alerts" used to convince me that some brass had nothing better to do than issue useless safety alerts.

23 posted on 02/29/2008 6:08:36 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: E.Allen
, been around for years,

Yeh, but the "NEWS" of it is good for the anti-gun folks......

24 posted on 02/29/2008 6:11:21 AM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: from occupied ga
Boy are you right! Remember that shootout after the bank robbery in LA? All those construction workers and landscapers rushing to face down the thugs with body armor and AKs.

Hell, they had to knock over the QuickMart clerks and fishermen just to get a piece of the action.

25 posted on 02/29/2008 6:14:17 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: ninonitti

What about pizza delivers? Now that’s a dangerous job!


26 posted on 02/29/2008 6:19:02 AM PST by untrained skeptic
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To: OKSooner
The ammunition is legal, it's just a reminder the dangerous new threats police officers constantly face.

wow.. just a reminder... buses and bad drivers are dangerous too, and so are little old ladies in wheel chairs, 7 year old boys and girls, the flu, airplanes and lightning strikes.
27 posted on 02/29/2008 6:19:47 AM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Please visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/et al.)
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To: umgud

Okay, that is funny! I googled your sourse...LOL


28 posted on 02/29/2008 6:19:58 AM PST by tongue-tied
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To: tongue-tied

And then I Googled your sourCe. Both were funny.


29 posted on 02/29/2008 6:21:01 AM PST by tongue-tied
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To: wtc911
Remember that shootout after the bank robbery in LA?

Yeah I do remember, but what does this BS have to do with the FACT that police work isn't particularly dangerous? Refresh my memory how many cops were killed then? As I remember only the criminals died. Or am I confusing that with the Columbine school massacre where the swat heroes rushed in under fire taking casualties to save the wounded. Oh wait, never mind, the victims bled out while the cops waited until it was safe.

Also, remember the carjacking in Atlanta year before last? The one where the woman was killed and the car jacker was stopped by an ordinary citizen with a gun?

Tell me how did you get addicted to the taste of boot polish?

30 posted on 02/29/2008 6:31:13 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: from occupied ga

Idiotic, even for you.


33 posted on 02/29/2008 6:37:10 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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To: from occupied ga

“Remember that shootout after the bank robbery in LA?

Yeah I do remember, but what does this BS have to do with the FACT that police work isn’t particularly dangerous? Refresh my memory how many cops were killed then? As I remember only the criminals died. Or am I confusing that with the Columbine school massacre where the swat heroes rushed in under fire taking casualties to save the wounded. Oh wait, never mind, the victims bled out while the cops waited until it was safe.

Also, remember the carjacking in Atlanta year before last? The one where the woman was killed and the car jacker was stopped by an ordinary citizen with a gun?

Tell me how did you get addicted to the taste of boot polish?”

Very well said ga.

James in West Ga.


34 posted on 02/29/2008 6:41:13 AM PST by 11bravo wolfhoundf ( "Duty is ours; results are God's." John Quincy Adams)
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To: OKSooner

***The ad for the ammunition says it shoots dozens of steel darts that cause unbelievable trauma. ***

Too late! This ammo has been around since the early 1960’s! If you reload .12 Guage, just fill it with finishing nails instead of lead shot.


35 posted on 02/29/2008 6:42:36 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: wtc911

I can’t say that I really remember you from other threads. But apparently you’re one of those jackboot licking statists who for some reason is too stupid to realize that DU is their true home and keeps posting here.


36 posted on 02/29/2008 6:43:35 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: OKSooner
The object of tactical doctrine and training is not to get shot in the first place. As NASA says, any plan that starts off assuming Option #2 will be used is a plan that doesn’t give proper respect to Option #1.

Lastly, I am somewhat dubious about the amount of energy in the components of a disbursed projectile. There is only so much energy in total that a powder charge can impart. Multiple projectiles must share that energy. A three-dart “bullet” would only impart 1/3 of the total energy on each dart. Why would such a dart have superior penetrating ability as compared to a single bullet carrying the total energy of the powder charge?

37 posted on 02/29/2008 6:44:23 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: 11bravo wolfhoundf

Thanks!. It appears that New Yorkers (and who but a New Yorker would blatantly play the 911 card even in his/her handle) just don’t get it.


38 posted on 02/29/2008 6:47:25 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: E.Allen

I believe they were also in 105 shells for wave attacks.


39 posted on 02/29/2008 6:57:40 AM PST by kallisti (it's not that he's arrogant, it's just everyone else is insignificant)
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To: kallisti

beehive round


40 posted on 02/29/2008 7:00:22 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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