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Too much pleasure, too few children
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 02/22/2008 | ROD DREHER

Posted on 02/25/2008 1:13:10 PM PST by Caleb1411

Civilization depends on the health of the traditional family.

That sentiment has become a truism among social conservatives, who typically can't explain what they mean by it. Which is why it sounds like right-wing boilerplate to many contemporary ears.

The late Harvard sociologist Carle C. Zimmerman believed it was true, but he also knew why. In 1947, he wrote a massive book to explain why latter-day Western civilization was now living through the same family crisis that presaged the fall of classical Greece and Rome. His classic "Family and Civilization," which has just been republished in an edited version by ISI Press, is a chillingly prophetic volume that deserves a wide new audience.

In all civilizations, Zimmerman theorized, there are three basic family types. The "trustee" family is tribal and clannish, and predominates in agrarian societies. The "domestic" family model is a middle type centering on the nuclear family ensconced in fairly strong extended-family bonds; it's found in civilizations undergoing rapid development. The final model is the "atomistic" family, which features weak bonds between and within nuclear families; it's the type that emerges as normative in advanced civilizations.

When the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century, the strong trustee families of the barbarian tribes replaced the weak, atomistic Roman families as the foundation of society.

Churchmen believed a social structure that broke up the ever-feuding clans and gave the individual more freedom would be better for society's stability and spent centuries reforming the European family toward domesticity. The natalist worldview advocated by churchmen knit tightly religious faith, family loyalty and child bearing. From the 10th century on, the domestic family model ruled Europe through its greatest cultural efflorescence. But then came the Reformation and the Enlightenment, shifting culture away from tradition and toward the individual. Thus, since the 18th century, the atomistic family has been the Western cultural norm.

Here's the problem: Societies ruled by the atomistic family model, with its loosening of constraints on its individual members, quit having enough children to carry on. They become focused on the pleasures of the present. Eventually, these societies expire from lack of manpower, which itself is a manifestation of a lack of the will to live.

It happened to ancient Greece. It happened to ancient Rome. And it's happening to the modern West. The sociological parallels are startling.

Why should expanding individual freedoms lead to demographic disaster? Because cultures that don't organize their collective lives around the family create policies and structures that privilege autonomous individuals at the family's expense.

In years to come, the state will attempt economic incentives, or something more draconian, to spur childbirth. Europe, which is falling off a demographic cliff, is already offering economic incentives, with scant success. Materialist measures only seem to help at the margins.

Why? Zimmerman was not religious, but he contended the core problem was a loss of faith. Religions that lack a strong pro-fertility component don't survive over time, he observed; nor do cultures that don't have a powerfully natalist religion.

Why should we read Zimmerman today? For one thing, the future isn't fated. We might learn from history and make choices that avert the calamities that overtook Greece and Rome.

Given current trends, that appears unlikely. Therefore, the wise will recognize that the subcultures that survive the demographic collapse will be those that sacrificially embrace natalist values over materialist ones — which is to say, those whose religious convictions inspire them to have relatively large families, despite the social and financial cost.

That doesn't mean most American Christians, who have accepted modernity's anti-natalism. No, that means traditionalist Catholics, "full-quiver" Protestants, ultra-Orthodox Jews, pious Muslims and other believers who reject modernity's premises.

Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: americaalone; birthrate; carlezimmerman; childfree; civilization; deathofthewest; demographics; eurabia; family; havemorebabies; roddreher; sociology; thewest; zimmerman
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To: cyborg

Hi!


81 posted on 02/25/2008 2:48:38 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: ThreeYearLurker

It’s a uterus, not a clown car.


82 posted on 02/25/2008 2:51:36 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Caleb1411
Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.

The Hispanic birthrate in the US is twice the birthrate of the general population. And 45% are born out of wedlock.

83 posted on 02/25/2008 2:51:46 PM PST by kabar
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To: Bushwacker777

1453


84 posted on 02/25/2008 2:55:58 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("We look for things. Things that make us go." Grebnedlog)
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To: Retired Greyhound

Just what you’d expect from a Retired Greyhound, unless of course your moniker means you drove Greyhound buses. ;<)


85 posted on 02/25/2008 2:58:04 PM PST by Jagman (Liberalism is a "progressive" disease)
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To: al baby

It’s rude to comment on women’s vaginas in public. There’s a reason they’re called “privates.”


86 posted on 02/25/2008 2:59:39 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I’m still here :-)


87 posted on 02/25/2008 3:04:20 PM PST by cyborg (Nursing school, another marathon and a cherry on top)
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To: Tax-chick
"I find pleasure and children to be very closely correlated. I wonder why the author doesn't ..."

What a silly comment.

You and he probably agree completely on this issue. But because the title of the essay, chosen most likely to perk interest, is not to your liking you claim to be in complete disagreement with him.

Why is it that Freepers seem to feel preternaturally determined to disagree with everyone ... even with those who they are in complete agreeance with?

88 posted on 02/25/2008 3:05:27 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: ThreeYearLurker; retrokitten; discostu
You are going to be mighty lonely when you are in your seventies and all your friends are dead.


89 posted on 02/25/2008 3:05:49 PM PST by Slings and Arrows ("Those who surrender personal liberty for lower global temperatures will receive neither."--weegee)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Of course I have a less healthy life style than most of my friends, so they’ll probably out live me.


90 posted on 02/25/2008 3:07:02 PM PST by discostu (aliens ate my Buick)
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To: kabar
"The Hispanic birthrate in the US is twice the birthrate of the general population. And 45% are born out of wedlock."

This is more a return to the tribalistic society: one filled with internecine war and blood feuds.

This is what we rose up from when we became "domesticated".

So maybe the fecund will survive, but instead of a few small communities of the faithful, there will be urban battle zones filled with warring tribes.

91 posted on 02/25/2008 3:07:56 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: CougarGA7
I stopped at 4....because I ran out of bedrooms.

I had a boss once who was the middle child of a family of 15 kids. The family lived in a four-bedroom house with many bunk beds.

92 posted on 02/25/2008 3:11:04 PM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: 14erClimb

Do your part ping....


93 posted on 02/25/2008 3:12:14 PM PST by JOAT
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To: Sherman Logan
Doesn't exactly explain the truly massive population explosion in the USA and most of Western Europe during the 19th century, does it?

Don't confuse people with facts.

94 posted on 02/25/2008 3:13:50 PM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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To: AZLiberty

I’m just glad I don’t own the Winchester House.


95 posted on 02/25/2008 3:14:12 PM PST by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Henry the 8th marrying his sister to every monarch in sight, and daughter’s potential marriages to all sorts ...


96 posted on 02/25/2008 3:18:55 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: martin_fierro

Present and accounted for and surrounded by expensive electronic toys that make me oh-so HAPPY!


97 posted on 02/25/2008 3:24:46 PM PST by meowmeow (In Loving Memory of Our Dear Viking Kitty (1987-2006))
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To: Beelzebubba
why some people who agree with you consider choosing not to have kids as “selfish.”

I think we all make decisions based on what we consider our own best interest. There are other considerations, of course, such as whether our judgment of our best interest proves to be accurate, and whether our decisions of supportive of any greater benefit, such as national survival.

Lots of philosophical approaches.

98 posted on 02/25/2008 3:26:42 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

As is LA today.


99 posted on 02/25/2008 3:30:19 PM PST by tbw2 (Science fiction with real science - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
People who support Kinder, Küche, Kirche are cultural conservatives

Well, yes, but ... and but ... and but ... and but ...

100 posted on 02/25/2008 3:30:31 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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