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Too much pleasure, too few children
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 02/22/2008 | ROD DREHER

Posted on 02/25/2008 1:13:10 PM PST by Caleb1411

Civilization depends on the health of the traditional family.

That sentiment has become a truism among social conservatives, who typically can't explain what they mean by it. Which is why it sounds like right-wing boilerplate to many contemporary ears.

The late Harvard sociologist Carle C. Zimmerman believed it was true, but he also knew why. In 1947, he wrote a massive book to explain why latter-day Western civilization was now living through the same family crisis that presaged the fall of classical Greece and Rome. His classic "Family and Civilization," which has just been republished in an edited version by ISI Press, is a chillingly prophetic volume that deserves a wide new audience.

In all civilizations, Zimmerman theorized, there are three basic family types. The "trustee" family is tribal and clannish, and predominates in agrarian societies. The "domestic" family model is a middle type centering on the nuclear family ensconced in fairly strong extended-family bonds; it's found in civilizations undergoing rapid development. The final model is the "atomistic" family, which features weak bonds between and within nuclear families; it's the type that emerges as normative in advanced civilizations.

When the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century, the strong trustee families of the barbarian tribes replaced the weak, atomistic Roman families as the foundation of society.

Churchmen believed a social structure that broke up the ever-feuding clans and gave the individual more freedom would be better for society's stability and spent centuries reforming the European family toward domesticity. The natalist worldview advocated by churchmen knit tightly religious faith, family loyalty and child bearing. From the 10th century on, the domestic family model ruled Europe through its greatest cultural efflorescence. But then came the Reformation and the Enlightenment, shifting culture away from tradition and toward the individual. Thus, since the 18th century, the atomistic family has been the Western cultural norm.

Here's the problem: Societies ruled by the atomistic family model, with its loosening of constraints on its individual members, quit having enough children to carry on. They become focused on the pleasures of the present. Eventually, these societies expire from lack of manpower, which itself is a manifestation of a lack of the will to live.

It happened to ancient Greece. It happened to ancient Rome. And it's happening to the modern West. The sociological parallels are startling.

Why should expanding individual freedoms lead to demographic disaster? Because cultures that don't organize their collective lives around the family create policies and structures that privilege autonomous individuals at the family's expense.

In years to come, the state will attempt economic incentives, or something more draconian, to spur childbirth. Europe, which is falling off a demographic cliff, is already offering economic incentives, with scant success. Materialist measures only seem to help at the margins.

Why? Zimmerman was not religious, but he contended the core problem was a loss of faith. Religions that lack a strong pro-fertility component don't survive over time, he observed; nor do cultures that don't have a powerfully natalist religion.

Why should we read Zimmerman today? For one thing, the future isn't fated. We might learn from history and make choices that avert the calamities that overtook Greece and Rome.

Given current trends, that appears unlikely. Therefore, the wise will recognize that the subcultures that survive the demographic collapse will be those that sacrificially embrace natalist values over materialist ones — which is to say, those whose religious convictions inspire them to have relatively large families, despite the social and financial cost.

That doesn't mean most American Christians, who have accepted modernity's anti-natalism. No, that means traditionalist Catholics, "full-quiver" Protestants, ultra-Orthodox Jews, pious Muslims and other believers who reject modernity's premises.

Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: americaalone; birthrate; carlezimmerman; childfree; civilization; deathofthewest; demographics; eurabia; family; havemorebabies; roddreher; sociology; thewest; zimmerman
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To: Caleb1411

This is an interesting thesis. The problem is that if being family-oriented is such a big deal, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore ought to have sky-high birth-rates. Instead, their birth rates are almost half of what we see stateside. I think the real problem is that in non-agrarian societies where parents are expect to pay their childrens’ way through college, kids are an economic liability rather than an asset. In fact, the family-orientedness of East Asian societies makes this worse - for as long as they remain single, the children continue to leech off their parents after they grow to adulthood instead of moving out and living on their own.


21 posted on 02/25/2008 1:33:48 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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To: Tijeras_Slim
This is better.

22 posted on 02/25/2008 1:35:05 PM PST by ThreeYearLurker (The NY Times: They are who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!)
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To: martin_fierro

Well, if true, our country is really in for “Change,” without Mr. Obama. We have many atomist families, with one or two children, but an influx of clannish imigrants who have three or more babies.


23 posted on 02/25/2008 1:35:13 PM PST by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: Caleb1411

sorry, but I am not bringing a child into this here world. Difficult times lie ahead, and I don’t believe it would be fair to the child.

Plus I am selfish and lazy and like kids only marginally.


24 posted on 02/25/2008 1:36:40 PM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: darkangel82
That bit of nonsense shows where this author is coming from.

I agree with you, but from a different direction, sorta. It is "boilerplate" unless "right-wingers" consistently take a stand for family (and individual) freedom and responsibility, against the encroachments of government.

25 posted on 02/25/2008 1:37:36 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: NativeSon
Well, would you prefer that we collect welfare, or send ten kids to the public schools?

If anything, I am getting ROBBED to pay for schooling and health care for you breeders. ;-)

26 posted on 02/25/2008 1:37:37 PM PST by Clemenza (I live in New Jersey for the Same Reason People Slow Down to Look at Car Wrecks)
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To: Retired Greyhound

LOL!

What was it Alfred Hitchcock said?
“I love children—— for breakfast.”


27 posted on 02/25/2008 1:39:04 PM PST by najida (I am so grateful that stupid isn't contagious.)
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To: Allegra

Think of sorting the socks in that family’s laundry!


28 posted on 02/25/2008 1:41:27 PM PST by CholeraJoe ("The bigger the cushion, the sweeter the pushin'. You know what I mean.")
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To: ThreeYearLurker

Beautiful family. Is it yours?


29 posted on 02/25/2008 1:42:49 PM PST by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: martin_fierro

Wolverines!


30 posted on 02/25/2008 1:43:08 PM PST by DallasDeb ((a.k.a. USAFA2006Mom!))
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To: CholeraJoe

One of my friends in college was one of thirteen - I forget what the boy/girl breakdown was, but he said that for the boys, his mom would buy identical 6-packs of tube socks, and all the blue-with-red-stripes belonged to boy 1, yellow-witth-blue to boy 2, etc. I’d have gone with all white myself.


31 posted on 02/25/2008 1:43:59 PM PST by nina0113 (If fences don't work, why does the White House have one?)
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To: Jersey Republican Biker Chick
I am not childless, I am childFREE!!!!!

{High-fiving JRBC}

32 posted on 02/25/2008 1:45:09 PM PST by retrokitten ("Tell the dj the last song will be 25 or 6 to 4 by the great Chicago." -Lucky, King of the Hill)
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To: Clemenza
I am getting ROBBED to pay for schooling and health care for you breeders. ;-)

Families with children are coming to your door with guns, demanding you pay their medical bills and school fees? You should call the police immediately!


33 posted on 02/25/2008 1:45:09 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: Caleb1411
Religions that lack a strong pro-fertility component don't survive over time, he observed; nor do cultures that don't have a powerfully natalist religion.

Just ask the Shakers - well if there still were Shakers you could.

34 posted on 02/25/2008 1:45:28 PM PST by hometoroost (...the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo)
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To: Retired Greyhound
My husband and I are raising 7 Conservatives; they are our future. I've never bought the "being fair to the child thing" and I'm glad my parents didn't buy into it. ; )

Plus I am selfish and lazy and like kids only marginally.

That is a reason not to have kids. Hats off to you for recognizing/admitting it. Too many are having babies who shouldn't and then they do really asinine things like play video games while the baby starves to death.
35 posted on 02/25/2008 1:46:51 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: Tax-chick

Agreed right back. Liberalism is all about avoiding personal responsibility.


36 posted on 02/25/2008 1:46:52 PM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: ThreeYearLurker

I think that’s a beautiful picture. God bless them!!


37 posted on 02/25/2008 1:51:09 PM PST by diamond6 (Everyone who is for abortion has been born. Ronald Reagan)
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To: darkangel82
Liberalism is all about avoiding personal responsibility.

Yes, and when "conservatives" move away from the principles of self-sufficiency and voluntary charity, they fall into the same trap. It's not germane to this article, but the author is Huckabee-type "conservative."

38 posted on 02/25/2008 1:51:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: retrokitten
High Five, backatcha!!
39 posted on 02/25/2008 1:51:29 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: Caleb1411
Thus, since the 18th century, the atomistic family has been the Western cultural norm. ... Here's the problem: Societies ruled by the atomistic family model, with its loosening of constraints on its individual members, quit having enough children to carry on.

Doesn't exactly explain the truly massive population explosion in the USA and most of Western Europe during the 19th century, does it?

40 posted on 02/25/2008 1:52:15 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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