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Too much pleasure, too few children
St. Paul Pioneer Press ^ | 02/22/2008 | ROD DREHER

Posted on 02/25/2008 1:13:10 PM PST by Caleb1411

Civilization depends on the health of the traditional family.

That sentiment has become a truism among social conservatives, who typically can't explain what they mean by it. Which is why it sounds like right-wing boilerplate to many contemporary ears.

The late Harvard sociologist Carle C. Zimmerman believed it was true, but he also knew why. In 1947, he wrote a massive book to explain why latter-day Western civilization was now living through the same family crisis that presaged the fall of classical Greece and Rome. His classic "Family and Civilization," which has just been republished in an edited version by ISI Press, is a chillingly prophetic volume that deserves a wide new audience.

In all civilizations, Zimmerman theorized, there are three basic family types. The "trustee" family is tribal and clannish, and predominates in agrarian societies. The "domestic" family model is a middle type centering on the nuclear family ensconced in fairly strong extended-family bonds; it's found in civilizations undergoing rapid development. The final model is the "atomistic" family, which features weak bonds between and within nuclear families; it's the type that emerges as normative in advanced civilizations.

When the Roman Empire fell in the fifth century, the strong trustee families of the barbarian tribes replaced the weak, atomistic Roman families as the foundation of society.

Churchmen believed a social structure that broke up the ever-feuding clans and gave the individual more freedom would be better for society's stability and spent centuries reforming the European family toward domesticity. The natalist worldview advocated by churchmen knit tightly religious faith, family loyalty and child bearing. From the 10th century on, the domestic family model ruled Europe through its greatest cultural efflorescence. But then came the Reformation and the Enlightenment, shifting culture away from tradition and toward the individual. Thus, since the 18th century, the atomistic family has been the Western cultural norm.

Here's the problem: Societies ruled by the atomistic family model, with its loosening of constraints on its individual members, quit having enough children to carry on. They become focused on the pleasures of the present. Eventually, these societies expire from lack of manpower, which itself is a manifestation of a lack of the will to live.

It happened to ancient Greece. It happened to ancient Rome. And it's happening to the modern West. The sociological parallels are startling.

Why should expanding individual freedoms lead to demographic disaster? Because cultures that don't organize their collective lives around the family create policies and structures that privilege autonomous individuals at the family's expense.

In years to come, the state will attempt economic incentives, or something more draconian, to spur childbirth. Europe, which is falling off a demographic cliff, is already offering economic incentives, with scant success. Materialist measures only seem to help at the margins.

Why? Zimmerman was not religious, but he contended the core problem was a loss of faith. Religions that lack a strong pro-fertility component don't survive over time, he observed; nor do cultures that don't have a powerfully natalist religion.

Why should we read Zimmerman today? For one thing, the future isn't fated. We might learn from history and make choices that avert the calamities that overtook Greece and Rome.

Given current trends, that appears unlikely. Therefore, the wise will recognize that the subcultures that survive the demographic collapse will be those that sacrificially embrace natalist values over materialist ones — which is to say, those whose religious convictions inspire them to have relatively large families, despite the social and financial cost.

That doesn't mean most American Christians, who have accepted modernity's anti-natalism. No, that means traditionalist Catholics, "full-quiver" Protestants, ultra-Orthodox Jews, pious Muslims and other believers who reject modernity's premises.

Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: americaalone; birthrate; carlezimmerman; childfree; civilization; deathofthewest; demographics; eurabia; family; havemorebabies; roddreher; sociology; thewest; zimmerman
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1 posted on 02/25/2008 1:13:12 PM PST by Caleb1411
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To: Allegra; Tijeras_Slim; Jersey Republican Biker Chick
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2 posted on 02/25/2008 1:15:37 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Caleb1411
"Puritanism - the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy." -- H.L Mencken
3 posted on 02/25/2008 1:19:51 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Caleb1411

So . . . to cure the ills of American society . . . go talk to someone about Jesus Christ. Who woulda thunk it?


4 posted on 02/25/2008 1:20:29 PM PST by Greg F (Do you want a guy named Hussein to fix your soul? Michelle Obama thinks you do.)
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To: martin_fierro
FREERIDERS RULE!!!!

I am not childless, I am childFREE!!!!!

5 posted on 02/25/2008 1:21:53 PM PST by Jersey Republican Biker Chick (RIP Eric Medlen. You will be missed.../ Get well Soon John Force!!!)
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To: JimWforBush; martin_fierro; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; najida; Allegra; RockinRight; ...
Like it or not, the future belongs to the fecund faithful.

FREERIDERS! PREPARE FOR THE ASH HEAP OF HISTORY!


6 posted on 02/25/2008 1:22:53 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Greg F

Save America

Make a baby !


7 posted on 02/25/2008 1:22:54 PM PST by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Caleb1411
Too much pleasure, too few children

I find pleasure and children to be very closely correlated. I wonder why the author doesn't ...

8 posted on 02/25/2008 1:25:04 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: live+let_live

ping


9 posted on 02/25/2008 1:25:19 PM PST by live+let_live
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To: live+let_live

Basic Darwinian fact: He who breeds leads!


10 posted on 02/25/2008 1:26:56 PM PST by Bushwacker777
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To: Tax-chick

Because he’s a narcissistic leftist.

When you have children, you have to become less self centered, or things go haywire.


11 posted on 02/25/2008 1:28:28 PM PST by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Tax-chick

Amen. You gotta wonder about somebody who looks at children as the punishment for having sex.


12 posted on 02/25/2008 1:30:10 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: MrB

Rod Dreher actually considers himself a conservative, although I don’t. Like that guy at the New York Times ... is it David Brooks?


13 posted on 02/25/2008 1:30:50 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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Which is why it sounds like right-wing boilerplate to many contemporary ears.

That bit of nonsense shows where this author is coming from. What a twit he is.

14 posted on 02/25/2008 1:31:05 PM PST by darkangel82 (If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. (Say no to RINOs))
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To: Wolfie
somebody who looks at children as the punishment for having sex

To be fair, that might be the headline writer rather than the author :-).

15 posted on 02/25/2008 1:32:03 PM PST by Tax-chick (If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't shoot! It might be a lemur!)
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To: Tax-chick
I find pleasure and children to be very closely correlated. I wonder why the author doesn't

Because the selfish and selfishness dominate the chattering classes.

As I moved forward in my career and associated with more higher earners, I noticed a larger and larger group of married couples without children. When it came down to why, the reason was "more for me".

16 posted on 02/25/2008 1:32:20 PM PST by NativeSon (off the Rez without a pass...)
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To: Bushwacker777

Yup.

The three styles of family; Rock, Paper, Scissors? We keep advancing until we become susceptible to the barbaric we left long ago.


17 posted on 02/25/2008 1:32:20 PM PST by live+let_live
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To: Tijeras_Slim

You’re three Duggars short in that picture.


18 posted on 02/25/2008 1:32:35 PM PST by ThreeYearLurker (The NY Times: They are who we thought they were, and we let them off the hook!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; JimWforBush; martin_fierro; Jersey Republican Biker Chick; najida; RockinRight; ...
WE'RE DOOMED!!
19 posted on 02/25/2008 1:33:25 PM PST by Allegra (Posting without being logged on since 2001)
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To: Caleb1411
Why should expanding individual freedoms lead to demographic disaster? Because cultures that don't organize their collective lives around the family create policies and structures that privilege autonomous individuals at the family's expense.

Families are primarily strengthened by one ancient tradition: arranged marriage. Elders trade the lives of their daughters for gold and influence. In the absence of that practice and others now deemed abhorrent to modern society, families have inevitably become less important. The Muslims with their ego-mad, daughter-killing men are actually reminding us what the "strong family" model looks like in action. It ain't a pretty picture, for anyone capable of independent thought.

This is one of the sillier articles I've read recently - unless perhaps the author is in fact a shill for the Mohammedans? ;)

20 posted on 02/25/2008 1:33:29 PM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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