Posted on 02/22/2008 5:46:14 PM PST by DWPittelli
Hillary Clinton hasn't publicly conceded the Democratic nomination to Barack Obama, of course. But I have seen a significant new piece of evidence indicating that she has given up, that her actions show she is no longer acting primarily to win the election, but rather to position herself better if she loses. (Psychologically, her closing speech last night has been widely discussed as possibly hinting at the same thing.)
What's the news? She has sent out invitations to Massachusetts supporters that she will be in Boston this Sunday (Feb 24), holding a fundraiser dinner (a $5,000 per table Conversation with Hillary that is In Support of Hillary Clinton for President). Now she could hold a fundraiser just as easily in a state that still has a primary to come. But she is instead in Massachusetts because whatever differential in cash she can get by being in Boston instead of in Texas or Ohio (or Rhode Island, where she will be earlier in the day) more than outweighs the advantage she could get in votes by showing up in a still-relevant state.
The other interpretation of this news is that she's so broke that she must maximize income even at the cost of not being in relevant states with upcoming primaries. This is different, but almost as good news for Hillary's opponents to right and left and almost as disheartening to her supporters. It is at least as telling on this score as the news that she has recently loaned her campaign $5 million of her "personal" money.
Most likely, both things are true: Hillary is now more interested in getting her $5 million back than she is in maximizing her chances of winning. She is no longer fighting for the nomination.
Ummm.......I haven't even had a chance to vote yet. My state's primary isn't until May. I've been precluded from being able to vote for anyone but McPain in the A$$.
Even so, he ain't gettin' my vote.
Hillary said she gave HSU’s money to charity.
Hillary said she loaned her own campaign $5 million, and wants it back.
Where is the proof that she really gave any illegal campaign contributions back?
Where is the proof she really loaned her campaign $5mill?
Maybe she really loaned it $3 million.
Who’s to know?
“He is a fool if he picks Hillary as his VP”
If this will help him win he will. However, on the day he is sworn in, he will tell the secret service that she is never to step foot into the White House.
This is the real risk that many here seem unconcerned about.
It's no different than when people go on strike. If the employer can find a way to replace them permanently, he will.
Instead of forcing the party to follow them and become more conservative, quitting on game day forces the party to replace them with even more moderates. Because the party's goal is to win elections and they naturally try to find a way to do that with whomever will help them win.
You know, I was thinking along those same lines watching the debate last night. Did you notice that whenever Obama was speaking, she was staring at him with this strange look on her face. There was a very forced smile, but there was something else also - I said to my husband, “she’s either putting a spell on him, or she’s thinking - talk on big boy, you’re not going to be bothering me much longer.”
There was something very knowing about the way she was looking at him, and it was a little bit frightening.
Dude,whether she wins or not, it won't make a difference in this regard! Off to a re-education camp wiff ya!
I disagree.
So-cons gain nothing by deliberately undermining the Republican nominee by refusing to vote for him. And they might lose everything.
No segment of the base is a kingmaker. The sooner that is realized the better.
Many so-cons quit on Bush I. Did that do anything to advance their principles or get them taken more seriously? No. Each time they threaten to go on strike, their influence grows weaker. That’s because a political party exists for only one purpose-—to win elections. When a group consistently refuses to help accomplish that goal, the party just moves on and tries to find other people who will help.
No different than a football team. It’s not personal. It’s not about personal principles, it’s about winning within the agreed-upon rules. So if a bunch of people quit the team on game day, all that happens is the team tries to find a way to win without them. And they sure as heck try to avoid having those kind of people on their team in the future.
On getting McQueeg, we'll have to just take his marbles away from him. We're stuck unless something happens to him. I don't wish bad on anyone. But, have you see that thingy on his neck recently?
Apparently they have wandered off to join the Party of One.
What, one asks, is encouraging the GOP further leftward? The fact that hardly anyone voted for the more conservative candidates.
People can wail all they want about not having a great candidate, but the fact remains that there were candidates who were more conservative than John McCain, but who got very few votes. So few that they actually dropped out without anyone even really noticing.
With very few people actually voting "conservative," in the sense that word seems to be used by many here, of course the party is going to gravitate toward the middle.
I admire you greatly for taking this stand. You will not be rewarded for it here, I’m afraid. But I believe you are doing the right thing for your country. Thank you.
You can start by acting like an adult instead of a spoiled child!
An adult knows when to get on board and help row the boat, to be supportive of others if you expect them to be supportive of you in the future. Then to work harder next time to get their point across and get the help of those they just helped.
A spoiled child picks up their marbles and goes home when they don't get their way.
Which you are is up to you.
Yep. Notice his left eye too, he is not a well man.
You're the one who needs to get a grip. See my post 71, it fits you.
If you think “anyone” can run for President, without the blessing of the Party, just ask Duncan Hunter how that works.....
The choice is ALWAYS to vote for someone who is the lesser of two evils.
And what’s wrong with that?
Isn’t it a moral imperative to do what one is able to do to STOP a greater evil?
Yes.
Does it demonstrate “integrity” to sit passively and allow someone who is “more crappy” than someone else to win an election when one could have voted for the “less crappy” person?
No.
If your ox falls in a ditch on the Sabbath, you have two “crappy” choices-—let your ox die (and possibly impoverish your family) or break the Law. Are you arguing you above making such a choice?
What if you're rowing the boat toward Niagra Falls? A smart person knows when to abandon ship and swim to the shore. The great ship known as the Titanic....er...I mean the Republican Party, is going down.
I wish you were right, but there’s no doubt that the RNC could care less that a relative handful of people will write in a candidate.
The reality is that if there were enough people who felt as you do to make a difference, we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place. Those people would have voted for one of the more conservative candidates in the race so as to keep one of the less conservative candidates from becoming the nominee.
But they didn’t vote that way. Why would huge numbers then vote that way in the general? Not gonna happen.
It's no different than when people go on strike. If the employer can find a way to replace them permanently, he will.
Instead of forcing the party to follow them and become more conservative, quitting on game day forces the party to replace them with even more moderates. Because the party's goal is to win elections and they naturally try to find a way to do that with whomever will help them win.
Exactly the way I see it, they don't realize they will lose all their relevance by behaving the way they are threatening to act.
Some of these short sighted folks don't seem to understand that when and if they pull the walkout then their thoughts won't be worth much in the future.
I will not vote for McCain in the fall either.
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For the president of USA? No qualifications needed?
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