Posted on 02/19/2008 5:00:33 AM PST by jmaroneps37
I am an American conservative not a conservative American. To me they are two very different things. I recognize the extreme danger America would from a Democrat president. There is no chance I would ever vote for a Democrat or stay home. America is too important to me. I am sick of people playing politics with the future of my country.
Given the choice between the conservative movement and my country, I will vote for the safety of America in a heartbeat. I will never vote to teach the country a “lesson” with a Democrat president. I don’t play with my family’s safety. The election of either fallen away Muslim or a woman will infuriate our Islamist enemies. The “experts” playing with this fire can make believe this won’t be the case, but they are wrong.. But we should not allow them pick our president you say. I agree.
The Democrats are for higher taxes, open borders and Ruth Ginsbergs. McCain may/may not give us higher taxes, he may be persuaded to close the borders. We will have a better chance of getting a Roberts not a Ginsberg from. The real issue is national security. There is no comparing a Democrat Commander in Chief with McCain in that position. With Iraq is becoming a winning situation, why are so many conservatives willingly joining liberals in making believe the War on Terror is over and we can start spending the “peace dividend?”
I’m 100% pro life. McCain is about 95% pro life. Either Democrat is zero pro life and in fact Obama supported a bill to euthanize inconvenient born babies.
We won’t get a truly conservative president this time. We can always rebuild the conservative movement during and after McCain, but we can never rebuild America after Democrats destroy our America.
I am a conservative, and wish a more solid conservative was our nominee also, but the venom on these posts remind one of the DU quotes we used to make fun of. I am particularly sickened by the “vast party establishment conspiracy” posts about McCain.
To define McCain as a liberal is absurd. He is a moderate on many issues and a conservative on a few, by any logical reckoning. To call him “left” of the base is somewhat reasonable, but to call him a liberal in the same way as Clinton or Obama is to make the word meaningless.
Lest we forget everyone, an Obama or Hillary victory will probably mean gains in congress as well. I am not sure where the hoped for gridlock will come from... unless we use filibusters... oh wait... the “conservative position” is to not filibuster.
I wonder how Reagan would have been commented on, had this technology existed then. He was a Liberal, you know. He supported an immigration amnesty and made efforts to work with democrats in congress. I suppose he was better than McCain on taxes, but worse on the cut and run issue in Lebanon. And he actually bargained with the Russians! Clearly he is a liberal. No difference between him and say, a socialistic one term senator at all.
What is most laughable is that most of the vitriol is from people who have carried Bush’s water for 8 years while he spent like a democrat. So I can’t even respect their idealism; it is just an arbitrary line in the sand.
By the standards of most of the posters here that makes him a liberal, so I don’t understand what people who keep posting this mean.
He didn’t win by any conservative voters in the Republican Party but the moderates of the Republican Party voted for him. You seem to think that we conservatives are the majority of the Republican Party when in fact we are a small minority.
Thats fine. I just won’t vote for him. You can, but I will not vote for a man who would sell our sovereignty out.
Just cannot.
When did the Republican Party have conservative values? Not in my lifetime. They have had the more conservative values, but not true conservative values. The party elites didn’t want Golwater or Reagan, but Republican voters did. The Party has no say in who we Republicans nominate. They may be tickeled that the majority of Republican voters have nominated, McCain well almost nominated at any rate, but they were not the ones that did the voting in primaries. Now the press may have built up McCain, but that reflects only on the stupidity of Republican voters if they let even Fox dicatate whom they should vote for. The reality is we conservatives are the minority makeup of the Republican Party.
No, less socialism. You see the alternatives on the democratic side are even more socialist.
McCain is giving away our citizenship to illegal aliens from Mexico.
I don’t see any worse danger.
We did that in 1994.
I’m holding my nose and voting McCain for these reasons.
All the “stay home” bandwagoneers might want to remember that we vote for 100% of the Congress and 1/3 of the Senate this year as well. If conservates fail to show, we hand all three branches over to the Demons.
Whatever you do, DO NOT STAY HOME!!!
Oh, please, it’s not even about being conservative, it’s about wanting the federal government to stay the heck out of your life and out of your pocket. McCain claims to oppose higher taxes and bigger government, but he authored the McCain Lieberman global warming scam which both raises taxes and makes our lives more miserable through government interference.
How anyone could group a patriot and 3rd generation Navy man in with two America-hating Marxists is beyond me.
By Mark Finkelstein | January 27, 2008 - 18:55 ET Takeaway exchange from John McCain's Meet The Press appearance today.
TIM RUSSERT: If the Senate passed your bill, S-1433, the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill, would you as president sign it?
JOHN MCCAIN: Yeah, but the lesson is that it isn't going to come, it isn't going to come. The lesson is they want the borders secured first.
"They" want the borders secured first. From the same man who said:
"I think the fence is least effective. But I’ll build the goddamned fence if they want it."
Will the MSM let voters know that McCain continues to support the amnesty bill he forged with Ted Kennedy, and only grudgingly agrees to secure the borders because "they" -- those pesky American citizens, want it?"
McCain has NOT changed. If we vote him in, we get what we voted for. Have we not learned our lesson yet?
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Exactly!
McCain’s service to his country and his liberalism are two separate issues.
that’s a good point, but he did get some big name -rat endorsements.
-and I don’t know that he’s operating outside of the party establishment, which is very socialist. He’s probably more socialist then the Hilda-beast.
But it sure seems like the Pub party establishment was actively working against the more conservative canidates.
regards
For myself, I will NEVER vote for a guy with positions like McCain’s. That’s not out of anger, it’s out of principle.
John McCain: George Soros’ Useful Idiot
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/30556.html
McCain’s Reform Institute donor list, note the Tides Foundation:
http://reforminstitute.org/about/AboutDonors.aspx
Sen. McCain; past Chairman pf the Reform Institute:
http://www.reforminstitute.org/about/about.aspx
Politics is not the art of the possible, it consists in choosing between disasterous and unpalatable alternatives.
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