Primary Voters: Vote against McCain! Vote for deadlock! Vote anyone but McCain!

Feb 9, 2008 | Jim Robinson

[Jim Robinson]

Folks, there still may be a slim chance to force a deadlocked convention. I'm no election math wizard, but I believe it's still mathematically possible for McCain to NOT receive the requisite number of delegates to win the nomination. But it would require a great turnout of passionate conservative voters in the remaining primary states to accomplish.

The trick would be for all remaining primary conservative voters to vote for their favorite candidate as if he were still in the race. Fred's name is still on the ballot. So is Hunter's and Romney's. Shoot, vote for Huckabee, Paul or even Giuliani if you wish. Anyone but McCain!

None of the others can possibly win, but it's still possible for McCain to lose. Let it go to the convention and force the GOP to publicly fight it out as if its very life depended on it. Because it does.

What do we have to lose? As it stands now, more and more conservatives are declaring their intentions to sit out the general. If McCain is our candidate, looks like Hillary/Obama will be our next president. Don't let it happen. Vote for any GOPer other than McCain!

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

Unlike the typical Juan McCain shill, you see: I refuse to whiz my conservative principles down my pants leg, just because some homily-spewing nonentity in a $1500 suit happens to be sporting a large capital letter "R" next to his name. And yourself...?

"And yourself?"? What is that even in reference to?

It's not everyone who'd be courageous enough to openly confess, on a public message forum, that they actually couldn't read for comprehension on even a grade school level. You're a real profile in courage, you are.

You know perfectly well what the question is referring to; quite wriggling, for heaven's sake, and answer it plainly. I didn't try squirming away from yours, after all.

[Gilbo_3]

It aint about 'sending a message'.

Bottom line is that the rin-o-p would have to be willing to listen. they aint. they are beyond the point of needing a conservative base, so they think, due to the fear mongering in every cycle since Reagan from the 'anybody but ______ crowd.

We never got a real voice of support for the sopposed conservatives that were running [hunter/thompson] because the ABHC was in full throat a full year ago.

Simply write in 'No candidate for this office REPRESENTS my conservative/Constitutional values'...

Maybe record high turnout/ low approval will inspire real conservatives to lay it on the line and join the battle...

LFOD...

[fight_truth_decay]

McCain: 775 delegates, Romney has 284, Huckabee has 205. It takes 1,191 to clinch the nomination.

There are 963 left to be chosen, so Romney or Huckabee (piece dated) would have to have all of them -- all of them -- to get to 1,191. Now you can't do that because a majority of those 963 are chosen in proportional primaries, which means you'd have to get 100% if the vote to get them all.

http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/ often a good reference site.

"It's virtually impossible for Romney or Huckabee to be the nominee just based on the arithmetic," -Black added. "I see it as virtually impossible. I'm superstitious like my boss, I don't want to say anything's impossible, but it's virtually impossible on the arithmetic."

I was told by a delegate that the phrase Romney has "suspended" his running at the moment, has left a question mark with them on why that specific word was being emphasized. First, concensus was he would be running in the years to come; but the word was used to Maine delegates by the Romney people. Does that mean he could come back in some other way? VP? is the question. All delegates won in Maine are remaining in Romney's hands. They first thought he had withdrawn, but they are now not quite sure what is going on.

[Jane Austen]

Yep, Bush has done bad things. McCain is worse. McCain is also unwell.

[WalterSkinner]

..we will take whatever victory for conservatism we can get—a brokered convention is a noble goal...

[redgirlinabluestate]

A Huckabee surge and a deadlocked convention would do nothing but force McCain and Huckabee to team up, making things TWICE as bad as they are now.

Bingo! Vote for Mitt. Never ever help the socialist, pro-life liberal Huckabee.

He’s a good man but he’s a pro-life liberal. He’s right on the pro-life part, but he’s a liberal. You look at his taxes in the state you look at what he said about immigration. You know he worked against any attempt to control immigration coming in through his home state…” ~ Fred Thompson on Mike Huckabee on the Steve Gill Show

[Bokababe]

I was so happy to read this that I could hug you, Jim! (Don’t worry, I’m female!)

IMO, yes, “anyone but McCain”, but the best “protest vote” would be for Ron Paul for the following reasons:

1. He has no chance of becoming President or VP.

2. He is absolutely ethical and won’t be bought or sold out.

3. He is the guy that people see as “the protest vote”, especially after Super Tuesday.

4. He has more contempt for McCain than he does for any other Republican candidate.

5. He is anti-abortion and anti-big-government, and would never give his delegates to a non-conservative just to “make a deal”.

6. You don’t have to worry about his “anti-war” position, because there isn’t another anti-war Republican candidate to chose from.

[pissant]

THis site has by and large detested McCain for many years. You think a bunch of conservatives are going to rollover for this unstable liberal?

[joesbucks]

The MSM did NOT funnel us into this mess. They reported with gusto when he was out of money. Most recently, we were down to 3 candidates (plus Paul) - McCain, Romney and Huckabee. Two of the three were clearly not Democrats as McCain is regardless of the typographical error following his name. They might have or might have had some liberal positions in the past. But they were not Democrats. We voted McCain. We bear responsibility for the mess, not the MSM. Personal responsibility is our platform. Let us not shirk it.

You are absolutely right. But it won't fly here. These people will stop up their own toilet, and blame the MSM. They whine as much as the liberals.

but they can't help it. It's all they've been taught.

[TheLion]

The whole thing is wierd and stupid. Our primaries should be absolutely closed to only republicans. Our system ended up getting us McCain....voted in primarily by the moderates and left.

[joesbucks]

Happy birthday from another buckeye.

[RockyMtnMan]

Here’s hoping! I would love to see the RNC’s hand forced in selecting a candidate. We’d know precisely where they stand if it came to McCain regardless of our efforts.

If that happened and they did still select McCain I would suggest that we need a new party.

[TADSLOS]

Ain’t my website, but I think that Clint Eastwood is right, you all are masochists.

Hey, I thought you OPUSed out on us last week...can't resist hanging around and stepping up for your illegal immigrant cheap labor champion, can you?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

You have something there on post 323. I think Romney may be planning to swoop in at the end and tag McCain as a loser and Huckabee as a spoiler. I still won’t vote for Romney. No possible way. I am not alone in that. There needs to be another choice. I do not personally think endorsers of McCain should qualify. Duncan Hunter could unite us. I will take Huckabee, but don’t know about everyone else. Hunter would be acceptable to many.

[TigersEye]

Spare me. I'm quite aware of GWB's conservative shortcomings. He didn't author CFR which George Soros helped craft and gave Soros direct influence in our political process, empowered the MSM and silenced ordinary citizens.

GWB hasn't led the way on legislation to institute Kyoto style restrictions on our economy, taxes and industry.

GWB didn't author the Amnesty and try an unConstitutional end run around the House when the bill was voted down.

GWB didn't shout down the families of POWs/MIAs and work hand-in-hand with John F'n Kerry to end investigations into their whereabouts.

GWB wasn't involved in the Keating Five scandal.

It is incredibly obvious that you haven't read any of those articles I linked. Don't pass off your deliberate ignorance on others.

[pollywog]

Exactly!!!
Vote Huckabee!!

[pollywog]

Exactly!!!
Vote Huckabee!!

[4Liberty]

Thank you for the thread. Spent the last hour reading through every post. A lot of angst here.

FR “rules!” I hope we can brainstorm a solution. I will continue to read the messages.

The messages above suggest that Nov ‘08 is basically a “Stop amnesty - AND stop terrorism” election.

Waves of phone calls to DC about immigration perhaps won’t work any more. I think people feel this major Fall election is “it.”

Nobody wants to “press 2 for English,” but that is what the fear is with McCain. The fear is he is a WSJ corporate welfare lover, when it comes to the borders. I don’t know where the WSJ & McCain get off. Subsidies to workers (illegal immigrant workers) through welfare/education/health care programs are NOT what a free market society constitute.

Public education services and homeland security are both compromised by open borders without assimilation. For McCain to marginalize the issue of immigration, then claim to be the big “pro-defense, anti-terrorist” hawk candidate is baffling.

McCain talks to us like two year olds - I have seen his disingenuous look and snarl - like we can’t connect these issues sensibly. That is why he comes across as untrustworthy. The issues are related. He winks & shakes his head, pretending he agrees, but his hostile tone suggests he doesn’t care if they are, he is just trying to appease voters to win the election.

Very worrisome.

Thanks to all for sharing thoughts. Every hour that passes begs serious discussion & careful strategy on what to do. I have not been this captivated by current events since 911 - or the Gulf I War — and I’m a political “junkie.”

And - thanks Jim, for FR.

4L

[TigersEye]

...they are beyond the point of needing a conservative base,...

Then why did every Pubbie candidate spend so much time trying to convince the electorate that they were the real conservative? It doesn't make sense if they don't need us.

This is where we are now.

[Bokababe]

Romney edges McCain in conservative (CPAC) straw poll