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(VANITY) A Bad time to be a Conservative, but things could be worse.
self | 07Feb08 | allmendream

Posted on 02/07/2008 5:24:03 PM PST by allmendream

We need to face up to the facts of this upcomming election. It seems that electorally it is a bad time to be a Conservative. The Primary turnout was almost two to one for the Democrats, and the mood of the nation seems decidedly anti-Incumbent and anti-Republican.

That being said, it might well be a good thing that the Republican nomination process didn't select a rock ribbed conservative; based upon my present assumtion that our nominee is doomed to electoral defeat no matter who we picked.

I was thinking who I wanted McCain to pick as his Vice Presidential candidate; or more accurately who he could pick that would make the ticket more palatable to me and other Conservatives. That is when I realized that I didn't want McCain to pick a viable Conservative candidate that would then be besmirched by their association with a losing ticket. In that context it might be better if he does pick another RINO. After this election we may hopefully have heard the last of McCain and/or Huckabee's Presidential aspirations.

I am not giving up, I will vote in November, and I encourage everyone else to vote as well; but a President Hillary/Obama (is there a difference politically?)seems to be in the cards. Hopefully every other Conservative and/or Republican will vote as well and we will not give our next Democrat President 'coat tails' by giving them huge majorities in the House and Senate and in the Statehouses.

In America the pendulum swings from right to left and then back again. Does anyone doubt that a Hillary/Obama with a Democrat Congress will scare the bejezus out of the electorate and hopefully lead to Republicans regaining the House and possibly the Senate in the midterms?

What do FReepers think is the best way to either....

a) get McCain/some RINO ticket elected (I think it is unlikely)

b) limit the 'coat-tails' of our probable new Democrat President

c) change our nomination process to get a more Conservative nominee

d) limit the damage to America that will be enacted by a Democrat POTUS and Congress

and

e) restore the faith of the electorate and the GOP in Conservative principles of governance.

I know that staying home is not an option for this Conservative, and neither is giving up. I hope you are all with me in this sentiment.

Any ideas on how best to go forward in advancing a Conservative ideology?


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To: allmendream
Good time to be a conservative, when the pubs screw the pooch, they are going to run around and try to blame it on everyone else.
21 posted on 02/07/2008 5:49:42 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
I am pretty sure that this will be Hillary’s win. Too many middle-of-the-roaders that I know want to vote for her.

No, 60/40 Obamma takes it.

22 posted on 02/07/2008 5:51:24 PM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: allmendream

“What is the best strategy for Conservatism going forward?”

I think a McAmnesty presidency would destroy the GOP in Congress. I’d much rather see the dems take the White House, which I believe would ensure a takeover of Congress by conservative Republicans again (’94, ‘80 are good examples).


23 posted on 02/07/2008 5:51:24 PM PST by tabsternager
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To: ari-freedom
Perhaps; but McCain makes more than 10 times as many conservatives about 10 times as mad at him as they ever were as W. Bush. I understand why, but I also agree with you, he is mostly conservative (save for Amnesty, global warming, and tax cuts); and would make a far better President in this crucial time for our Republic than either Clinton or Obama.

That is why I plan on voting for him in November, and I really do hope he wins; but I don’t really see it in the cards - no matter who we picked as our nominee (and why all the ire at the RNC/GOP, they didn’t give McCain his wins in the primaries?).

24 posted on 02/07/2008 5:52:09 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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This isn’t going to be a hold your nose November. It’s going to be a hold your nose, cover your ears, shut your eyes and by all means blot our your memories November.  DoughtyOne
25 posted on 02/07/2008 5:53:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (That's right McStain, you'll get my vote when you peel it from my cold dead fingers.)
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To: allmendream
McCain is going to get beat like a rented mule by either of the Dem candidates.

Learn how to survive in a socialist country.

26 posted on 02/07/2008 5:54:45 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: allmendream

Vote for the GOP nominee.


27 posted on 02/07/2008 5:55:26 PM PST by Cinnamon Girl (McCain calls it "radical islamic terrorism," the dems don't refer to it at all)
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To: ari-freedom

Yea that will get you miles around here. Bush got us here. The current situation is in response to his being linked to the conservative movement.


28 posted on 02/07/2008 5:56:43 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (John McCain - The Manchurian Candidate? http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s why I’m so pi$$ed at all of you who are so willing to cede the election to the RATs.


29 posted on 02/07/2008 5:57:00 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Michael Steele for VP)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

That’s why I’m so pi$$ed at all of you who are so willing to cede the election to the RATs.


30 posted on 02/07/2008 5:57:04 PM PST by DLfromthedesert (Michael Steele for VP)
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To: mad_as_he$$
We agree upon the likely outcome, and I really don’t think it mattered who we put forward of our nominees; they were destined for electoral defeat considering the mood of the nation and the enthusiasm on the Democrat side for electing the first Monica’s boyfriends wife/ half black former Muslim named Hussein.
31 posted on 02/07/2008 5:57:23 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: allmendream

There truly needs to be an “entity” whose major focus is on two things: 1.) Getting a large enough turnout of conservative voters to the polls throughout the U.S. on November 4 to successfully elect “truly conservative” candidates to Congress and to all political levels below Congress; and 2.) FINDING LARGE ENOUGH NUMBERS OF DECENT TRUE CONSERVATIVES TO SERIOUSLY RUN FOR POLITICAL OFFICES AT EACH AND EVERY LEVEL OF POLITICAL OFFICE IN ORDER TO SUCCEED IN BLOCKING ALL “LEFTIST” LEGISLATION FROM EVER SEEING THE LIGHT OF DAY. This should truly be the main focus of conservatives from now on.


32 posted on 02/07/2008 5:58:33 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: Dilbert San Diego

>>The next president will almost certainly get to replace Stevens and Ginsburg as father time and health issues take their toll on those two<<

Stevens IS Father Time. At 87, he is the second oldest justice in Supreme Court history, and it seems he is not quitting soon. He may stay on the Court until he is as old as Strom Thurmond when he completed his last term in the Senate.


33 posted on 02/07/2008 6:02:33 PM PST by pinochet
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To: pinochet
LOL! Stevens is indeed Father Time, except for the wisdom part.

Hopefully his pride will keep him in through the next (probable) Democrat administration and he lives to see the beginning but not the end of a new Republican administration.

34 posted on 02/07/2008 6:06:28 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: DLfromthedesert
I am in no way ceding this election to the RATs. I am going to vote. Staying home is NEVER an option, and I will support my parties nominee. I just don’t see victory as being very likely at this point. This is not ‘defeatism’; I am fighting on until the waves break over the crows nest on this ship, I just don’t like our odds.

“Never tell me the odds!” Han Solo

35 posted on 02/07/2008 6:09:43 PM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD)
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To: allmendream
Even if I am the last standing Conservative on FR... I am PROUD and THRILLED and very Publicly excited that I am a Conservative... I eat sleep and breathe Conservatism... I believe in it's fundemental laws of physics... that Conservatism works EVERYTIME it is tried... and screw every rino and moderate infecting this Conservative oasis called FR.

LLS

36 posted on 02/07/2008 6:41:10 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: ari-freedom
This is a thread about Conservatives... this is not an area for your liberal mccain antics.

LLS

37 posted on 02/07/2008 6:43:51 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: DLfromthedesert

“That’s why I’m so pi$$ed at all of you who are so willing to cede the election to the RATs.”

We’re pi$$ed at ALL OF YOU that put US in that position.

LLS


38 posted on 02/07/2008 6:46:39 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: allmendream

What is the best strategy for Conservatism going forward?

Prayer.
39 posted on 02/07/2008 6:51:05 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Currently learning Farsi so someday you won't have to)
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To: G8 Diplomat

That is the very best advice of all!

LLS


40 posted on 02/07/2008 6:52:22 PM PST by LibLieSlayer ("There is no conservative alternative in the race. It's just that simple." Rush Limbaugh)
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