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This article is important because this type of stuff will be coming to a country near you if this liberal wolf-in-sheep's clothing gets the nomination.

Why anyone thinks Romney is somehow "better" than McCain is beyond me. They're both awful--but Romney is worse because he's lying about what he really is.
1 posted on 02/05/2008 10:03:22 AM PST by Antoninus
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Its pretty much knowledge now that Romney’s health care plan in MA has been seriously compromised by the liberal governor now running the state.

Which is why electing a liberal like Juan McAztlan means we will get screwier programs than we had under Jorge Boosh

What is Juan McAztlan’s health care plan? Free health care for illegals? Wait we already have that....how about more free health care for illegals?


2 posted on 02/05/2008 10:10:00 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Support the ABM Treaty...Anyone But McCain)
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And McCain is not lying? Or maybe Juan McCain really is Ronald Reagan reincarnate.


5 posted on 02/05/2008 10:30:46 AM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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You are going to get health care in one form or another. It will in either a Romeny flavor, Hillary flavor or a Obama flavor. McCain will not lead any fight against health care and will wind up with his own “government” plan. If MCain wins you will probably see something similar to the Romney flavor.
6 posted on 02/05/2008 10:33:16 AM PST by MBB1984
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I was surprised he talked about it so much, so the idea that he doesn’t talk about it is wrong.

Romney’s mistake was to take so much credit for the final product, given how badly the democrats damaged it. Frankly, I don’t think he understood exactly how badly they screwed it up, but he does now.

Fortunately, he’s clearly said that isn’t his plan for President. His plan as President is a good one, which will allow states to experiment and screw themselves over if they like, and the nation will benefit from testing different theories to see what works before we adopt some disastrous Hillary plan.


11 posted on 02/05/2008 10:37:07 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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I beg to differ:
Romney’s Massachusetts plan is not a “complete disaster” because the damage it has done and is doing is limited to one state, a state whose citizens have shown themselves time after time to be very tolerant of the most colossal government screw ups.

“Disaster” would be to have attempted to implement this plan or one like it on a national scale, as Shrillary wants.

The opportunity here, for Gov. Romney, is to come out and say, “OK, we screwed up! It was a bad idea, here’s why, and we won’t make a mistake like that again!”

But can you see him doing it?


12 posted on 02/05/2008 10:39:57 AM PST by Redbob (WWJBD: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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Well if it is identical to Hillarycare then he has no weakness as far as campaigning goes. If the media make healthcare an issue, he can say he has experience in implementing what Hillary merely proposes and has no experience with. And if the media want to say his program sucks, well then that doesn’t really help Hillary’s campaign for health care if it’s the same program.


17 posted on 02/05/2008 10:57:42 AM PST by monkeyshine
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Government managed markets have never worked. They are not working, now. And, they won’t work under plans such as these.

The government needs to get the hell out of healthcare, completely. The dramatic increases in health care costs didn’t start until the feds got involved back in the late 1950’s and 1960’s.

Time for a return to constitutional mandates...


22 posted on 02/05/2008 11:12:33 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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Bump.


24 posted on 02/05/2008 11:17:00 AM PST by Greg F (Romney appointed homosexual activists as judges in Massachusetts.)
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In actuality, insurance premiums in the state are expected to rise 10-12 percent this year - twice the national average.

If that's true, then this is an unmitigated disaster but not unexpected with socialized medicine. I wonder where the author got that figure from?

MA was supposed to be the perfect storm for universal care; a small population overall and a very small uninsured population, a high percentage of government employees already receiving coverage, liberal voters ....

In short, a mini-Canada.

If it doesn't work here, how in the hell will it work in California?

27 posted on 02/05/2008 11:18:51 AM PST by keat (You know who I feel bad for? Arab-Americans who truly want to get into crop-dusting.)
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"or one thing, it is hard to portray yourself as the ideological heir to Ronald Reagan"

If this Liberal is around in July, he will be yelling from the high heavens that he is the NEW REAGAN.

28 posted on 02/05/2008 11:19:16 AM PST by Afronaut (RIght now Ron Paul has my vote. He has become the only choice.)
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..even if I accepted his recent conversions on several issues (which I don't)--I can never forget this:

LINK

Having said that, strategically, it is better if he knocks off McCain in CA--it's all very confusing...

31 posted on 02/05/2008 11:21:47 AM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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Romney can keep his communist, liberal Hildabeast care. The only one we sadly have left to vote for is *gulp* Huckabee, but he’s a dang sight better than the other two. I will never vote for Romney. At least Huckabee has never been pro-abortion, Myth Romney’s plan even PAID for abortions.


33 posted on 02/05/2008 11:23:58 AM PST by Nebraska6804
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They're both awful

Just look at how low we've sunk. We are now reduced to arguing over which one is less awful -- and getting angry with each other about it!

This is bad.

46 posted on 02/05/2008 12:03:37 PM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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Bears Repeating...

“Dismal Failure”


47 posted on 02/05/2008 12:06:37 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion
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Why anyone thinks Romney is somehow "better" than McCain is beyond me.

Some of us think the border and free speech are big issues. We're not enthused about Romney, but do not want the party destroyed by a crazy old man who hates conservatives and conservatism.

48 posted on 02/05/2008 12:08:50 PM PST by GunRunner
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Mitt is a Corporate mouth piece, from the same Country club as Teddy K. and J. Kerry.

McCain 2008


53 posted on 02/05/2008 12:28:30 PM PST by OPS4 (Ops4 God Bless America!)
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Both Obama and Hillary love RomneyCare

They wrote Universal health care proposals like RINO Romney’s

Is it any mystery why US Senator Teddy Kennedy was in Boston and standing right next to RINO Romney when he signed the health bill ???


58 posted on 02/05/2008 1:46:12 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Baloney.

His health care plan was fine as devised and ruined by his successors who tacked on extra perks.

John McCain is a twisted, grotesque characture of a candidate - vicious, duplicitous, back stabbing and manipulative, his campaign tacitcs - like his political philosophies - are more akin to the Democrats with whom he has connived shamelessly the past eight to fustrate a Repubulican agenda in COngress.

He neither deserves to be elected President, nor shall he ever get elected President - Hillary OR Obama will easily trounch this major media stool pigeon in any debate. And he will lose conservative support in the process.

He is neither a Republican nor a conservative. He’s a stealth Democrat.


59 posted on 02/05/2008 1:55:08 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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Baloney.

His health care plan was fine as devised and ruined by his successors who tacked on extra perks.

John McCain is a twisted, grotesque caricature of a candidate - vicious, duplicitous, back stabbing and manipulative, his campaign tactics - like his political philosophies - are more akin to the Democrats with whom he has connived shamelessly the past eight to frustrate a Republican agenda in Congress.

He neither deserves to be elected President, nor shall he ever get elected President - Hillary OR Obama will easily trounce this major media stool pigeon in any debate. And he will lose conservative support in the process.

He is neither a Republican nor a conservative. He’s a stealth Democrat.

60 posted on 02/05/2008 1:56:30 PM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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Those who are successes learn from their mistakes and move on to improve the process. One failure means a step closer to success.


61 posted on 02/05/2008 1:59:41 PM PST by chit*chat
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