Posted on 02/02/2008 7:46:53 PM PST by blam
Gunman kills five women in Chicago store
By Tim Shipman in Chicago
Last Updated: 2:36am GMT 03/02/2008
Five people were shot dead at a women's clothing store in a Chicago suburb on Saturday.
Police evacuated the mall and sealed off the car park after at least five shots were fired
The victims, all women, were killed inside the Lane Bryant store at Brookside Marketplace shopping centre at Tinley Park, south of Chicago.
Police evacuated the mall and sealed off the car park after at least five shots were fired shortly before noon.
It is thought that the shooting occurred after a robbery went wrong and there were reports that the raider had taken some of the victims hostage in the plus-sized clothing store.
Police said that security cameras in the store had allowed them to tentatively identify the man, who is understood to have a history of armed robbery and a murder conviction.
The killer fled the scene after the shooting. A police dogs unit and helicopter were last night working to track down the suspect.
Armed officers also searched neighbouring stores in the area and cars in the parking lot.
Tinley Park Police Sgt TJ Grady said that they were looking for a 5ft 8in tall black man, weighing between 16 and 20 stone and wearing a waist-length black coat, a black knit cap, dark jeans and with braids in his hair.
One victim was was taken to the nearby St James Hospital and Health Care Centres for treatment to gunshot wounds but died later.
Sgt Grady said: "Responding units entered the store and found multiple victims that had been shot and killed.
"No motive has been established. Every store was immediately canvassed and a search by air, too, has given us every indication that the offender has left the scene."
Shoppers said that they were baffled by the motive behind the shooting as it had happened relatively early in the day, about 10.45, while shops would have had quite small amounts of money in their cash registers.
Residents of the predominantly white community of Tinley Park, which describes itself as Chicago's "fastest growing suburb" and has a population of about 58,000, said that they that were shocked by the shooting.
According to FBI crime statistics there was not a single murder in Tinley Park in 2007.
The other violent crime statistics are also low - four sexual assaults, 15 robberies and 38 assaults.
Greg Grace, from nearby Frankfort, who was in the parking lot outside Lane Bryant, said that he saw several stretchers being wheeled into the store. The stretchers were later wheeled out - carrying no wounded survivors.
The mayor, Edward Zabrocki, went to the scene and - looking very shaken - said: "We're very sad about this. We're a victim of our society that we live in."
One witness at the scene described how police officers responded quickly to news of the shootings and hunted the gunman through other stores on the strip mall, with guns drawn and sniffer dogs in tow.
Another witness, Tracy Caccavella, said that she was in a nearby PetSmart store when police burst in with their guns drawn. She said that the officers ordered the store's staff not to let in any more customers before conducting a 20-minute search.
The multiple killing comes a month after nine people died in a shooting at a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska.
Nineteen-year-old Robert Hawkins killed eight people, wounded four, then shot himself at the Westroads Mall on December 5 last year.
It was the deadliest shooting in Nebraska since the rampage of Charles Starkweather, who killed 11 people in 1958.
Good POST !
Focus on front post !......LOL !
“357SIG, 125gr GDHP”
What are the grains and speed on that round?
Best one page data source on the 357SIG caliber.......
http://greent.com/40Page/ammo/357/357SIG-advoc.htm
The commercial SPEER 125gr GDHP I use /carry has proven itself for me with data presented and visual evidence at the range on materials including cars, structures, and ballistic gelatin etc .......
I highly suggest the following if ya go too this caliber.
Get a Glock 35 in 40 Short & Wimpy, go too lone wolfe and get their replacement barrels, rifled so ya CAN SHOOT cast lead reloads safely in the following calibers. 9mm and 357SIG caliber.
Albeit I carry a Glock 31 I bought these spare barrels from lone wolf(e) to build a package that allows me to have 4 different calibers for one frame and 2 slide and 3 magazine type package.
I have the advantage arms .22 adapter slide barrel and magazines for plinking and general training new shooters.
I have a 9mm barrel and magazines albeit for plinking a 9mm will feed from a 40/357SIG mag but is not reliable for working gun or self defense so get the 9mm mags when ya get the 9mm barrel.
357SIG barrel
Thus ya have:
Basic Glock 35 in 40SW
40/357 spare magazines are common dual caliber
9mm spare magazines
advantage arms .22 slide assembly and magazines for the G35
spare barrel in 357SIG
spare barrel in 9MM
9MM, 40SW,357SIG and .22 ammunition
I like the little package I put together. Allows the basic G35 platform to be used with many calibers, reloads for the 9mm & 357SIG and even the 40SW IF ya want to buy that rifled barrel as well later.
Hope I didn’t cloud up the main goal of such a package for that one frame with my description.
The Glock 35 is identical pretty much to a standard 1911A1 in size !
Stay safe !
Wow, impressive page at your link! I always like bottlenecked pistol cartridges, I’ve had Tokarevs and CZs. Like it said, a 9mm bullet is going to slide into a .40 chamber EVERY TIME.
Did you get a .40 Wolf barrel with threads for accessories? That would be a good thing to do. The .40 is easily subsonic if you want it to be.
No....all my suppressors are 9mm or 45acp.
Nuff for .........good point though !
I have shot or carried just about everything at some point in my life and the 357SIG is gonna get a fair shake from me till new and improved shows up.
But if you told me that I was gonna go up against human aggressors triple threat today and asked what I would carry for that solution in a “handgun”.......I’d go get my 1911A1 in 45acp back out of the safe as that is what I have trained and carried the most with. Memorymatic skills with a good stopping round and a launcher I am familiar with wins everyday with a handgun used in sh*t’n go blind times !
The issue isn’t wether the mod is fat or not. The mod is human. Unlike the inhuman scum that post fat jokes when there have been five people killed in a tragedy. So what I’m saying is that you are subhuman compared to the mod. You make fat jokes when people have died. You are sick. Get help.
I notice inconsistency / hypocracy in your remarks.
BTW, my wife's sister is "fat." And she admits that she is fat. I'm skinny and admit that I'm skinny... and bald too, and wear glasses, and short... and just turned 58, so I'm old.
now the stupid fundamentalist Kansas church that pickets at funerals of American soldiers ! Is planning to demonstrate at the funerals of two of the victims of the Lane Bryant massacre in Tinley Park.
The stupid EVIL fundamentalist Westboro Baptist Church Kansas church that pickets at funerals of American soldiers ! Is planning to demonstrate at the funerals of two of the victims of the Lane Bryant massacre in Tinley Park.
THE EVIL westboro church say That it is because of the kind of customers that go to Lane Bryant. And that in some cases they may have an objection to some of the clientele.”
Specifically, transsexuals and transvestites may shop there.....
Any info on when? Where?
already happened :(
but the police & firetrucks blocked the skumbag protesters by using their own vehicles as a barricade so the families wouldn’t see the skum !
there was an article about it in the Chicago Suntimes paper & the idiots already did it :(
Ryan, a Republican, did not run for re-election, and is in the pokey himself now, the last I heard.
His gubernatorial successor, a liberal Democrat, is corrupt and should be in jail, also. But he'll probably be re-elected because Illinois is overwhelmingly blue now and a death wish rules supreme in the Land of Lincoln.
The unions, Chicago limousine liberals, Jesse Jackson's thugs and Mayor Daley's well-oiled machine run the state.
Of course, apres Ryan came le deluge......and the Illinois GOP party is presently weak and disorganized.
Unfortunately, the party's only potential savior, Republican Mike Ditka, doesn't want to run for any office despite the prodding of his still-loyal fans, LOL.
Leni
I posted this on one of the earlier threads, but as some of you missed those threads, can’t find them, or think they might have been pulled, I’ll post it again, FYI:
This is supposedly what happened. He bound the women in duct tape and shot them execution style. The one woman that survived was grazed in the neck by the bullet, and then played dead. She got a real good look at him and has been helping the police with description, etc. She and her whole family are in hiding under police protection at the moment. The guy had dreadlocks with beads interwoven in one strand of dreadlock that hung down by his face. This leads me to believe it was probably just a robbery and the guy wasnt a Muzzie, as Muzzie converts wouldnt be sporting dreadlocks with beads hanging down. They have to live clean.
Also, my best friend who lives in Tinley Park, says that Tinley is right next to a relatively poor south suburb called Matteson, IL, which is approx. 65% black (pop. approx 12,500). Tinley Park (predominantly white) has experienced a boom in new housing and new businesses (my friend lives in one of the new housing communities, very nice). Along with this has been a big increase in strip malls, and the one where the shootings took place is very close to where my friend lives, she goes there all the time. In fact, she told me she was on her way to the mall when the shootings took place. She heard about it on the radio and obviously didnt go, thank goodness.
Anyway, back to Matteson. She told me there has been an increase in robberies in the area of residents coming over from Matteson to the wealthier Tinley Park to rip people and businesses off. Now, no one knows for sure where this guy came from, but my friend has her suspicions. Will update if I hear anything more.
Oh, one more thing. A new mosque (with an ugly yellow-gold dome, Ive seen it) has been built in Orland Park, IL, which is on the northern side of Tinley Park (Matteson is a couple of towns south of Tinley). There was much resistance to it being built, but the Muzzies won out. It is only about a short mile from where my friend lives. There has been a great influx of Muzzies now moving to within the nearby area of the new mosque. My friends neighborhood (quite high priced homes) has had a bunch of Muzzies moving into it, much to her dismay, and a Muzzie family has moved in next door to her recently. She is not a happy camper, as already one of their male sons has caused her some problems. She also has two daughters, 12 and 14 whom she worries about. There have been about 5 Muzzie families that have moved in just on her block. The whole area will probably turn Muzzie within the next 10 years. She plans on moving a few years from now before her property values take a dive. Even then, she may end up having to sell to a Muzzie if she wants to sell at all. Now, this is an upper class neighborhood of Tinley. Interesting. Whats kind of funny, a block from where she lives there is a huge fundamentalist church with a ton of churchgoers. That could be interesting, lots of Muzzies and lots of Fundies. Let the religious battles begin. Hope this gives you some background to the story.
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