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1 posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:22 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
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For me, it’s Romney or __________. Fill in the blank, but it won’t be McCain.


2 posted on 01/29/2008 11:58:02 AM PST by Brilliant
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>>Mitt Romney.. his Country Club wing of the party.<<

I thought Country Club Republicans were Episcopalians?


3 posted on 01/29/2008 11:58:59 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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You lost me with the "bible-thumpers" comment. I'd expect that kind of junk out of the KosKidz, but not from a conservative who knows that Evangelicals are our political allies and alienating them is a sure way to lose a national election.

Based on that, I'm not surprised you've identified stealth-liberal Flip Romney as the "least bad" choice.

Romney's actually the second worst choice. If you look at how liberalism advanced on all fronts while he was governor of Massachusetts, and the GOP devolved into the pathetic rump party that it is today, with no shot of winning another statewide election in the foreseeable fuure, that should tell you all you need to know about Flip.

If you want the National GOP of the future to resemble the Massachusetts GOP of today, vote for Mitt.
5 posted on 01/29/2008 12:01:15 PM PST by Antoninus (All you Mittens out there are going to feel like Flippers come November...)
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“Unfortunately, Dr. James Dobson and a few evangelical leaders decided to cut off their nose to spite their face (Mistake #35). You see, Fred’s not a Bible thumper. Neither was Ronald Reagan. And like Reagan, Fred is a bona fide, all-around, federalist conservative. That wasn’t good enough for Dobson. And when Fred refused to kiss Dobson’s ring of evangelical purity, Dobson went shopping for a candidate he thought he could control.”

I think Dobson’s ill conceived attack on Thompson played a major part in ensuring that no conservative will occupy the White House in 09.


6 posted on 01/29/2008 12:02:07 PM PST by NavVet ( If you don't defend Conservatism in the Primaries, you won't have it to defend in November)
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Excellent, excellent commentary.


7 posted on 01/29/2008 12:03:14 PM PST by Zhang Fei
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“At best, the GOP could still end up with a George W. Bush-lite nominee like Mitt Romney. He will at least pretend to care about conservative ideals from his Country Club wing of the party.”

Romney will drive the last nail in the conservative coffin by going hard left while hordes of glassy eyed image lickers worship his silly putty looks on “A Day in the Life” threads. His fake sincerity will insure a smooth ride over the cliff to socialism.


8 posted on 01/29/2008 12:07:37 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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Interesting stuff. I disagree about the Fred related mistakes. Fred in fact ran a poor campaign and failed to motivate people. You could say that seeing the morass of RINO candidates, the MISTAKE was drafting Fred in the first place. We would have needed either a) a better candidate/campaigner to draft or b) get behind Mitt that much sooner. But Fred went where he was meant to go. That part, sadly, was no mistake.


9 posted on 01/29/2008 12:07:45 PM PST by Huck (Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms.)
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This crap is getting tiring. I hope it goes away over after the nominee is chosen. Yes, McCain is annoying (personally, at this point I’d rather see Romney, but neither of these two are all that great), but this garbage about “you are either a conservative or you are not”, and “he’s no better than Hillary” is ridiculous. I haven’t seen Hillary staunchly supporting the WOT and Iraq war. I haven’t seen McCain pandering to NOW and the pro-abortion lobby. And bet your bottom dollar that Hillary will appoint a few more Ginsburgs to the USSC.

Fine, keep bitching now (that’s what primaries are for), but have some sense in the general election campaign.

As for Rush Limbaugh, he makes the best case that can be made for opposing McCain in the general, but frankly its not very good. By suggesting that somehow Hillary “will be no worse” than McCain, and that “we may need a Hillary” to bring back conservatism, he’s really minimizing the importance of conservatism. Connservatism is important enough to me that I will always pick the MOST conservative candidate available, even if it is McCain in the general election. Conservatism is important enough to me that I do not want 4 or 8 years of a flaming liberal Hillary. Is Rush suggesting that the next 4 or 8 years are not important? Hell, they are to me.


12 posted on 01/29/2008 12:09:45 PM PST by dinoparty
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Romney or McCain...either way we get AMNESTY

McCain for the ploiticical advantage...and Romney for the Big Business/slave wages, pathway to citizenship, we cant send them all back...

Welcome to Amerivilla


15 posted on 01/29/2008 12:12:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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Looks like another Duncan Hunter endorsement to me. Draft Duncan Hunter, Take II!


16 posted on 01/29/2008 12:12:37 PM PST by Rockitz (This isn't rocket science- Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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Very good commentary. Right on the money.


17 posted on 01/29/2008 12:13:16 PM PST by Finny (FOX News: "We report only what we like. You decide based on what we decide.")
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I don’t think it’s Conservatism that is dying. It is the Republican Party.

I don’t know anyone who is happy with the horrible choices we are left with for this election.

The Republicans will lose this election(just like they lost last year), and hopefully, they’ll be smart enough to return to the Reagan roots that brought them (us) to power.


20 posted on 01/29/2008 12:15:22 PM PST by Tex Pete
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The only positive to come out of 1992 was that it helped create an opening for an obscure, but brilliant Congressman from Georgia to lead conservatives to regain control of the Republican Party. Newt Gingrich reformed the three-legged conservative coalition and took an upstart innovative approach of leading the GOP from the House with a 1994 national congressional campaign platform – the Contract with America.

Mistake #6 wasn't a mistake after all. If Mistake #3 had been reelected, that would've truly made Mistake #6. Had Americans made the mistake of reelecting Bush Sr. he would've continued to destroy the Republican party as Noonan says his son has.

So, if you want to be intellectually honest, if you must blame Perot voters for Clinton's win, then you must give Perot voters credit for the Republican win in '94 because that certainly wouldn't have happened with Bush Sr meandering through another four years.

23 posted on 01/29/2008 12:16:14 PM PST by Nephi ( $100m ante is a symptom of the old media... the Ron Paul Revolution is the new media's choice.)
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bump for later reading.


24 posted on 01/29/2008 12:16:34 PM PST by MissouriConservative (We accommodate other cultures at the expense of ours.)
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It’s Chuck Norris’s fault!


25 posted on 01/29/2008 12:17:55 PM PST by Squidpup ("Fight the Good Fight")
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...Dr. James Dobson and other egotistical evangelicals

Credibility-flush. Writer has personal issues. I stop reading.

27 posted on 01/29/2008 12:18:32 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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However, even in a worse case scenario, the Republican Party will probably stagger along for several years much like the last decade of the Whigs.

Ouch. I have seen that analogy made more than once lately.

30 posted on 01/29/2008 12:22:56 PM PST by King of Florida (A little government and a little luck are necessary in life, but only a fool trusts either of them.)
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Best post I have read on F.R. since I registered.

This is the straw that broke the conservative movement:

“Unfortunately, Dr. James Dobson and a few evangelical leaders decided to cut off their nose to spite their face (Mistake #35). You see, Fred’s not a Bible thumper. Neither was Ronald Reagan. And like Reagan, Fred is a bona fide, all-around, federalist conservative. That wasn’t good enough for Dobson. And when Fred refused to kiss Dobson’s ring of evangelical purity, Dobson went shopping for a candidate he thought he could control.”

Dobson is a complete ass -— THAT was THE moment when the tide turned against Thompson.


36 posted on 01/29/2008 12:29:58 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (At kaki metumtam, Rudy McRomnabee)
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Newt made a lot of mistakes (shutting down the govt and threatening to default was major no no)

Some of the conservative “mistakes” are actually consequences (3, 8, 14, 25 for example). Conservatives didn’t actually vote for clinton. well, if they did, we’re in really big trouble.

Fred made many mistakes too. He waited too long, hired Spence Abraham to be campaign manager, appeared to contradict the GOP pro-life platform and just gave the general impression he wasn’t really into it. And he justified that impression by dropping out. We were excited when he started to go after Michael Moore on his blog but he “fell asleep” until the SC debate and by then it was too late.


37 posted on 01/29/2008 12:30:07 PM PST by ari-freedom (Hillary wants to be just like Gov. Granholm except more evil.)
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You left out Buchanan. He blew the Pubbies up in 1992 before Perot ever got a chance. With his sour face and angry diatribes, he became the poster boy for liberal fundraising. Bush I wasn’t perfect, but Buchanan did serious damage to the Republicans before leaving and then totally destroyed Perot’s Reform party, which actually had some momentum going to be a viable third party before Buchanan got there.


38 posted on 01/29/2008 12:30:37 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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