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What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?

That would be the precise equivalent of proving that the Jesus Christ of the Gospels really was a composite of several individuals, some of whom lived a century or two apart.

I read the Atlantic Monthly article mentioned here whereby archaeologists discovered Yemeni texts used in the Koran predating it by hundreds of years.

This is an overwhelmingly explosive assertion in that it claims to provide direct evidence that impugns Islam to utter illegitimacy.

1 posted on 01/19/2008 2:38:39 AM PST by america4vr
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There were many versions of Koran just after Muhammad died. At the Caliphs order, they’re all destroyed but the ‘official’ one.
2 posted on 01/19/2008 2:41:45 AM PST by paudio (Rose: I loath and despise money! Father: You also spend it!)
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Ping


3 posted on 01/19/2008 2:48:03 AM PST by a77 (McCain for President)
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Here is the direct link of the story to Asia Times
Indiana Jones meets the Da Vinci Code
5 posted on 01/19/2008 2:55:17 AM PST by america4vr (The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
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Maybe, but they have millions brainwashed with this crap.


8 posted on 01/19/2008 3:00:57 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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While stationed in Teheran from 1972 to 1974, I was able to study the Iranian society. What I learned from that experience, to include the events of radical Islam to today, brought me to the conclusion that the Islamic faith is now in the throws of its own end of the Dark Ages. This find, in my opinion, only reinforces my conclusions.


9 posted on 01/19/2008 3:02:26 AM PST by mazda77
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This is an overwhelmingly explosive assertion in that it claims to provide direct evidence that impugns Islam to utter illegitimacy.

Any religion that has as one of major tenets the murder of the members of other religions does not have a whole lot of cache in the legitimacy department as far as i am concerned.

11 posted on 01/19/2008 3:10:22 AM PST by verga (I'm not an apologist i just play one on TV)
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What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?


I think it was about 3 years ago we had an article posted here about an ancient quran being found in China.


18 posted on 01/19/2008 3:34:04 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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GGG?


19 posted on 01/19/2008 3:36:23 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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"The closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Koran in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ."

Thus it's an act of irreverence for a Muslim to study the Koran the way we study the Bible- digging jewels, revelation, understanding, renewed thought out of the text. The top down heirarchy of the imam's oral tradition and teaching is the power structure of Islam, not the personal relationship we have with the Author of the Bible.

Islam is so fragile and vulnerable to the Spirit of God, if only we can get past the veil of violence and fear that protects their deception from an invasion of light and truth.

24 posted on 01/19/2008 4:00:43 AM PST by ovrtaxt (In my fantasy world, the Dems run a Zell Miller/ Lieberman ticket...)
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A few months ago I read an article about faith and reason; a couple points follow.

The scholarly arguments that the Koran had nothing to do with the Archangel Gabriel are vast, and easily available. The scholarly arguments contend that the Koran consists of a much later hodge-podge of poorly edited and contradictory material, much of it cribbed from easily-identified Jewish and Christian sources.

If the Koran is a 9th-century redaction rather than a 7th-century revelation, of course, Islam has a serious problem.


28 posted on 01/19/2008 4:10:54 AM PST by olezip
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Ping.


36 posted on 01/19/2008 5:47:44 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1886546/posts?page=4972#4972 45 Item Communist Manifesto)
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And then all we would have to do is present this proof to the 1,300,000,000 reasonable muslims throughout the world and all our troubles will be over.


41 posted on 01/19/2008 6:47:54 AM PST by wtc911 ("How you gonna get back down that hill?")
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What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad

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I prefer the rule which is “SUPPOSED” to govern in Earthly courts. The burden of proof is on the positive, proving the negative is often impossible. In this case the Islamists would ignore any and all evidence to disprove their assertion and non-Islamists needed no proof to begin with.


42 posted on 01/19/2008 6:56:02 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?

Stealing from other religions. And Islam continues this practice today with the destruction and takeover of others' religious sites.

45 posted on 01/19/2008 7:10:45 AM PST by Lijahsbubbe
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How many people been be-haded for this so far?
56 posted on 01/19/2008 8:49:52 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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Prof. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. of Harvard narrated a PBS series called “Wonders of the African World”, where he interviews Islamic Scholar Ali Ould Sidi and shows previously undocumented 400-year old manuscripts, perhaps the only remains of the black African world’s intellectual achievement at Timbuktu.

These include ancient Islamic texts that are crumbing due to lack of preservation.


62 posted on 01/19/2008 9:03:24 AM PST by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century,

Maybe *their* "Archangel Gabriel" coulda used a little more cowbell.


65 posted on 01/19/2008 10:18:56 AM PST by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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Are the muzzies sure the koran was dictated by the Archangel Gabriel and not the Archangel Lucifer?

And I think that would be 72 raisin in each box of raisin bran cereal. Thus, heaven is a stale box of cereal.


70 posted on 01/19/2008 2:26:22 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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Ping to something we discussed.
79 posted on 01/19/2008 6:38:00 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/02/03/1bkk/04b.html

“...For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply “white.” Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for “houri,” which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means “white raisin.”

Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages dealing with paradise to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors...


80 posted on 01/19/2008 6:57:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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