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Ancient Islamic Texts Resurface (Impugning The Legitimacy of the Koran,Islam)
The Third Eye Concept ^ | January 14, 2008 | Staff

Posted on 01/19/2008 2:38:36 AM PST by america4vr

Islam watchers blogged all weekend about news that a secret archive of ancient Islamic texts had surfaced after 60 years of suppression. Andrew Higgins' Wall Street Journal report that the photographic record of Koranic manuscripts, supposedly destroyed during World War II but occulted by a scholar of alleged Nazi sympathies, reads like a conflation of the Da Vinci Code with Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail.

The Da Vinci Code offered a silly fantasy in which Opus Dei, homicidal monks and twisted billionaires chased after proof that Christianity is a hoax. But the story of the photographic archive of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences, now ensconced in a Berlin vault, is a case of life imitating truly dreadful art. It even has Nazis. "I hate those guys!" as Indiana Jones said.

No one is going to produce proof that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave three days after the Crucifixion, of course. Humankind will choose to believe or not that God revealed Himself in this fashion. But Islam stands at risk of a Da Vinci Code effect, for in Islam, God's self-revelation took the form not of the Exodus, nor the revelation at Mount Sinai, nor the Resurrection, but rather a book, namely the Koran. The Encyclopaedia of Islam (1982) observes, "The closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Koran in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ." The Koran alone is the revelatory event in Islam.

What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 7thcentury; godsgravesglyphs; islam; koran; muhammud
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To: olezip

:)


61 posted on 01/19/2008 9:03:19 AM PST by Vor Lady (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: america4vr

Prof. Henry Louis Gates, Jr. of Harvard narrated a PBS series called “Wonders of the African World”, where he interviews Islamic Scholar Ali Ould Sidi and shows previously undocumented 400-year old manuscripts, perhaps the only remains of the black African world’s intellectual achievement at Timbuktu.

These include ancient Islamic texts that are crumbing due to lack of preservation.


62 posted on 01/19/2008 9:03:24 AM PST by opbuzz (Right way, wrong way, Marine way)
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To: olezip
Perhaps many Muslims are also comfortable with their faith because it serves their purpose.

You mean the purpose of taking over the world and killing anyone that's not Muslim?

Yep, it serves their purpose.

63 posted on 01/19/2008 9:12:55 AM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: fso301
Be sure to wear a stainless steel collar before going out and telling them

I've got better than that, I've got Christ...although I'd rather tell them about Jesus than spend time dealing with the quran.

64 posted on 01/19/2008 9:24:20 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: america4vr; shibumi
What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century,

Maybe *their* "Archangel Gabriel" coulda used a little more cowbell.


65 posted on 01/19/2008 10:18:56 AM PST by Salamander (And don't forget my Dog; fixed and consequent.......)
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To: america4vr
Unfortunately for the West, virgins do make for a much more powerful motivator as reward for martyrdom.

Those who find out that it is "raisins" will never tell even if they are disappointed.

66 posted on 01/19/2008 10:35:03 AM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)
They'll know immediately that something is terribly wrong long before "disappointment" ever gets to manifest itself simply by how stifling it is (heat) and the piercing howls of their fellow, horny bastards
who finally get to realize the only fornication they'll get to know is what is happening to them.
67 posted on 01/19/2008 10:57:54 AM PST by america4vr (The ebb and flow of empires have come and gone but America shall forever reign supreme.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Oh, I didn’t say it was the only legit style of thinking. But we’ve been so overrun with Greek thinking that it’s all we know. We’re very provincial in that regard.

As for Paul, the reception he got in Athens is a perfect example of how intellectually lamed we can become. They thought they were the center of the mental universe, but they chose to merely consider Paul’s words ad infinitum, rather than respond to the confrontation.


68 posted on 01/19/2008 1:00:14 PM PST by ovrtaxt (In my fantasy world, the Dems run a Zell Miller/ Lieberman ticket...)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam
THE LOST ARCHIVE. WALL STREET JOURNAL. LINK.

Mr. Puin says the manuscripts suggested to him that the Quran "didn't just fall from heaven" but "has a history." When he said so publicly a decade ago, it stirred rage. "Please ensure that these scholars are not given further access to the documents," read one letter to the Yemen Times. "Allah, help us against our enemies."

69 posted on 01/19/2008 2:15:05 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: america4vr

Are the muzzies sure the koran was dictated by the Archangel Gabriel and not the Archangel Lucifer?

And I think that would be 72 raisin in each box of raisin bran cereal. Thus, heaven is a stale box of cereal.


70 posted on 01/19/2008 2:26:22 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: DooDahhhh
How about M&M's? What do I have to do to get 72 M&M's?
71 posted on 01/19/2008 3:05:24 PM PST by Othniel (Mohammad: False Prophet and Smeghead Deluxe....)
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To: BuffaloJack

Lucifer, the Morning Star that fell to Earth...Mohammad says Gabriel had six thousand wings.

They don’t worship that black stone for no reason. Mohammad heard voices in his head because he was suffering from a long standing mental illness, and what he called an angel was a COMET!


72 posted on 01/19/2008 3:07:47 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
I don't know about the jihadists, but it I got raisins instead of virgins, I'd be a little disappointed

What-- you're not ready to give your life for a handful of raisins? Oh ye of little faith.

73 posted on 01/19/2008 3:10:49 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Fred Nerks

Goes to show that Muslims worshiped a moon-rock god. End of story.


74 posted on 01/19/2008 3:13:38 PM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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To: olezip

There is a difference between the Muslim belief and Arius’—Arius believed that Jesus was the only-begotten Son of God, but did not believe that the Son was co-eternal with the Father (”there was when he was not”). That makes the Son a creature and less than the Father, but it is quite different from Muhammad’s view. After all, in the New Testament Christ is called the Son of God (e.g., in Mark 1.11: “You are my beloved son”) and Arius wasn’t throwing out anything in the text—it’s just that the Church as a whole decided his interpretation was wrong.


75 posted on 01/19/2008 3:39:10 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

weird out!


76 posted on 01/19/2008 4:34:13 PM PST by ken21 ( people die + you never hear from them again.)
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To: america4vr
Unfortunately for the West, virgins do make for a much more powerful motivator as reward for martyrdom.

Especially since Christ told us (the Sadducees, anyway) that there is no giving or taking in marriage in Heaven.

Since he ALSO said that we would be 'as the angels are', I'm not sure how having virgins would be of any use.

77 posted on 01/19/2008 5:43:05 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: RipSawyer
In this case the Islamists would ignore any and all evidence to disprove their assertion and non-Islamists needed no proof to begin with.

No, it would not affect the Islamists at all, except to give them another excuse to riot & chops heads.

OTOH, it may have a profound effect on the 'Moderate' Muslims, and when they started rejecting the Islamists, it would dry up an important source of Islamist support.

Just image how crippling it would be if all 500 "Moderates" quit sending money! /sarc

78 posted on 01/19/2008 6:01:52 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
Ping to something we discussed.
79 posted on 01/19/2008 6:38:00 PM PST by StarCMC (http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com; http://starcmc.wordpress.com/ - The Enemedia is inside the gates.)
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To: america4vr

http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/02/03/1bkk/04b.html

“...For example, the famous passage about the virgins is based on the word hur, which is an adjective in the feminine plural meaning simply “white.” Islamic tradition insists the term hur stands for “houri,” which means virgin, but Mr. Luxenberg insists that this is a forced misreading of the text. In both ancient Aramaic and in at least one respected dictionary of early Arabic, hur means “white raisin.”

Mr. Luxenberg has traced the passages dealing with paradise to a Christian text called Hymns of Paradise by a fourth-century author. Mr. Luxenberg said the word paradise was derived from the Aramaic word for garden and all the descriptions of paradise described it as a garden of flowing waters, abundant fruits and white raisins, a prized delicacy in the ancient Near East. In this context, white raisins, mentioned often as hur, Mr. Luxenberg said, makes more sense than a reward of sexual favors...


80 posted on 01/19/2008 6:57:59 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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