Posted on 01/19/2008 2:38:36 AM PST by america4vr
Islam watchers blogged all weekend about news that a secret archive of ancient Islamic texts had surfaced after 60 years of suppression. Andrew Higgins' Wall Street Journal report that the photographic record of Koranic manuscripts, supposedly destroyed during World War II but occulted by a scholar of alleged Nazi sympathies, reads like a conflation of the Da Vinci Code with Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail.
The Da Vinci Code offered a silly fantasy in which Opus Dei, homicidal monks and twisted billionaires chased after proof that Christianity is a hoax. But the story of the photographic archive of the Bavarian Academy of Sciences, now ensconced in a Berlin vault, is a case of life imitating truly dreadful art. It even has Nazis. "I hate those guys!" as Indiana Jones said.
No one is going to produce proof that Jesus Christ did not rise from the grave three days after the Crucifixion, of course. Humankind will choose to believe or not that God revealed Himself in this fashion. But Islam stands at risk of a Da Vinci Code effect, for in Islam, God's self-revelation took the form not of the Exodus, nor the revelation at Mount Sinai, nor the Resurrection, but rather a book, namely the Koran. The Encyclopaedia of Islam (1982) observes, "The closest analogue in Christian belief to the role of the Koran in Muslim belief is not the Bible, but Christ." The Koran alone is the revelatory event in Islam.
What if scholars can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Koran was not dictated by the Archangel Gabriel to the Prophet Mohammad during the 7th century, but rather was redacted by later writers drawing on a variety of extant Christian and Jewish sources?
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Oh, yeah. Big time.
Correct.
And that is because the Bible is the inspired word of God. God did not whisper each word of the Bible into the ears of the people who wrote the Bible. Rather, the Bible is a collection of works that were written under the inspiration of God's Holy Spirit. How do we know this? Because a number of people have discerned God's Spirit within the writings that are now the Bible. Those same people did not discern God's Spirit in the books that were left out of the Bible.
Muslims, on the other hand, believe that the Koran is the literal word of God. They believe that the Arcangel Gabrielt dictate word for word every word in the Koran, and that the words in the Koran are Allah's very words. They believe, moreover, that Gabriel spoke to Mohammed in Arabic, and that therefore the only true Koran is written in Arabic.
Were it to be discovered that the text of the Koran preceded the life of Mohammed, it would undermine a baci belief of Islam.
Nothing. You’re an infidel. The only way you can get anything is to go to the store and buy it.
Youre right. My bad.
I’ve read about some Muslims in some remote corner of Afghanistan, or one of the nearby countries, who claim to be descendants of Jesus. They don’t believe that he died on the cross....and didn’t get the idea from the DaVinci code guy.
islam is the religion that was made up out of whole cloth and desert madness. Instead of the bright-eyed looking for fulfillment in a belief system, islam attracts the marginally stable and specifically the emotionally deranged.
They’re not “raisins”....they’re scorpion turds.
Very interesting - thanks!
The Emergence of Islam
No Prophet Named Muhammad?
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-656/i.html
According to Lüling, the Reformation called for in Islam is not only necessary, it is also not possible without a critical look at the holy text in the manner that he, and others, have undertaken. (from 2004)
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-129/i.html
Islamic Studies
Liberate the Prophet from the Stranglehold of Religion!
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-695/i.html
If you’re under threat for that reason, are many Muslims so intolerant?
Ibn Warraq: Of course there are moderate, tolerant Muslims as well. The most tolerant are the less educated people, who don’t know exactly what it says in the Qur’an because they find it too difficult to read Arabic. Educated Muslims or those who can at least read the Qur’an are more intolerant. They often take it literally.
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article.php/_c-478/_nr-688/i.html
wow....we could go a lot of places if we wanted too....
Very interesting stuff. Thanks for the ping!
Don’t confuse the Koranimals.
Thanks for the great links!
lost link:
Ibn Warraq: Of course there are moderate, tolerant Muslims as well. The most tolerant are the less educated people, who don’t know exactly what it says in the Qur’an because they find it too difficult to read Arabic. Educated Muslims or those who can at least read the Qur’an are more intolerant. They often take it literally.
17NOV2015:
Last night’s EastEnders featured the scene below, where a Muslim character called Tamwar quotes the Qur’an, in Arabic and English, to illustrate what Islam is to him. It’s very well done, I think, and it’s a happy coincidence that this scene, filmed months ago, happened to go out when many British viewers urgently needed to hear such a message.
It names some of the people we should strive to treat well: parents and relatives, orphans, neighbours near and far, companions and travellers. There, Tamwar’s quotation ends. But there’s actually one more category in the verse itself: “those your right hands possess”. Slaves.
http://www.iandavidmorris.com/eastenders-and-exegesis/
Low profile for German Koran challenger
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1277705/posts
“Ancient” Syriac bible found in Cyprus
https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2179793/posts
Old thread that still is useful.
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