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Drill instructor convicted after rifle jams
worldnetdaily ^ | Posted: January 13, 2008 | © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 01/17/2008 10:45:33 AM PST by CrappieLuck

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To: spunkets

Thanks!

I saw this article the other day but it was very light on facts with no links and from WND so I had concerns about the truth of it then.

Turns out I was right to be skeptical.


21 posted on 01/17/2008 11:10:38 AM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: Creeping Incrementalism
"That is not what it sounds like from the article."

It's a nut daily article.

"They mention the ATF switching to soft primers to get it to slam fire."

Position 3 was for full auto, not slam fire.

22 posted on 01/17/2008 11:11:42 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: CrappieLuck

This is absolutely crazy.


23 posted on 01/17/2008 11:14:44 AM PST by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: MarkL

I swear I’m not wondering how that can be replicated.


24 posted on 01/17/2008 11:16:06 AM PST by EricT. (The tree of liberty needs to be watered...)
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To: spunkets
When the feds tested it, position 3 was full auto, and three 20 rnd mags were emptied full auto.

Actually, no it didn't. The first report on it was that it wouldn't fully engage in the Full auto position. It was only on subsequent abuse by the BATFE that they finally broke it the rest of the way and got it to go into a "wild fire" mode where the sear catch was completely broken off.

I have been following this one over on ARFCOM. The government is up to no good on this one.

25 posted on 01/17/2008 11:18:48 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: spunkets
It has a M16 selector switch, but an AR-15 bolt carrier and lower receiver. It needs more M-16 parts than just a selector switch to convert it into a full on "happy switch".

This was literally a malfunction that was then blown out of proportion by the Feds.

26 posted on 01/17/2008 11:20:40 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Hazcat

You’re welcome.


27 posted on 01/17/2008 11:21:18 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: MarkL

Some of the old surplus Walther P-38s would empty a magazine when you slammed the bolt home. I’ve seen it happen with a couple of SKS specimens. Some cops and the BATF are just looking for trouble.
I had high hopes that the Bush administration would put an end to this crap, you can add that to my list of his failures, and the failure of “republican leaders” to address the issue.


28 posted on 01/17/2008 11:24:41 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: CrappieLuck

WND’s crappy reporting posted and discussed here, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1952931/posts


29 posted on 01/17/2008 11:25:28 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Dead Corpse
"Actually, no it didn't. The first report on it was that it wouldn't fully engage in the Full auto position. "

See the link in #16. The genius professor told the student not to use the unmarked position 3, because it might fire off 3 rnds. The student placed the switch in the unmarked position at the range, and it did fire off 3 rnds before jamming. The ATF found that position 3 would consistently fire of 20 rnd mags at full auto.

"It was only on subsequent abuse by the BATFE that they finally broke it the rest of the way and got it to go into a "wild fire" mode where the sear catch was completely broken off. ...The government is up to no good on this one."

Yeah, sure.

"This was literally a malfunction that was then blown out of proportion by the Feds."

Not according to the discussion between Olofson and the "student" when the gun was loaned out, or according to the gun's performance at the range, or the findings from the lab.

30 posted on 01/17/2008 11:30:43 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: Dead Corpse
JPFO's take on it.

Here's what happened during the first round of tests...


31 posted on 01/17/2008 11:31:11 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: spunkets
The ATF found that position 3 would consistently fire of 20 rnd mags at full auto.

Read the whole thread over at ARFCOM.

Also, if we had something like the historical Second Amendment, this wouldn't be a big deal. It'd just be some tinkerer with a malfunctioning rifle.

(sarc)Thanks for sticking up for the government though. I'm sure they're happy to have people like you defending their unConstitutional actions.(/sarc)

32 posted on 01/17/2008 11:34:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: EricT.
I swear I’m not wondering how that can be replicated.

It might have been shear luck, but I haven't been able to pin it down. File this one under "who knows?

33 posted on 01/17/2008 11:36:29 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Hillary Clinton: Cankles, Cackle, and Cuckold.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Best AR advice is to insure NO M16 parts are installed in your semi-auto AR.

Intent to convert is much easier to convince someone if full-M16 parts are present-carrieror fire control parts.

God Bless


34 posted on 01/17/2008 11:38:07 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: CrappieLuck

Eastern district of Wisconsin. It figures.


35 posted on 01/17/2008 11:40:12 AM PST by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

Even though this is a right wing news source with which we are all fond, it may be that there are additional parts to this story that we haven’t been told.


36 posted on 01/17/2008 11:42:44 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Dead Corpse
"It'd just be some tinkerer with a malfunctioning rifle."

Yeah, some tinkerer that gave a malfunctioning rifle to a "student" to play with.

"Thanks for sticking up for the government though."

Truth matters.

"I'm sure they're happy to have people like you defending their unConstitutional actions."

Irrelevant. You claimed the gun was not a machine gun, that it simply malfunctioned, and the ATF manufactured evidence.

37 posted on 01/17/2008 11:46:02 AM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: mbynack
"I bought a Savage 22 semi auto at a pawn shop once..."

It might have been one I had as a kid. That's the reason I got rid of it. I can't remember the model number, it was tube fed and had those weird slots on the left side of the receiver directly behind the chamber.

38 posted on 01/17/2008 11:49:02 AM PST by labette
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To: Mr. Lucky

Perhaps there is more to this story. It seemed to be a stretch that a judge would extend the use of a statute intended to ban a certain class of firearm to one not covered by the statute, owning to its unintentional and faulty behavior. On the other hand, I don’t think any guns should be banned for any reason, but that’s just me.


39 posted on 01/17/2008 11:50:08 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (Kill the terrorists, secure the borders, and give me back my freedom.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I agree. But in doing a google search, This story doesn’t appear anywhere in the non-firearms related media. The mention that the defendant is a Drill Sergeant also seems a little puzzling. Clearly, this weapon wasn’t a military weapon.


40 posted on 01/17/2008 11:56:33 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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