Posted on 01/13/2008 1:51:13 PM PST by wagglebee
"A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani." -- Steven Pokorny, age 28, at Giuliani during meeting in Miami, Sunday, Jan. 13
MIAMI, Jan. 13 /Christian Newswire/ -- Rudy Giuliani was rattled by pro-life advocates and canceled his speech at his first bus-tour event Sunday in Miami. Activists have planned confrontations with Rudy for every stop of his Florida bus tour. Photos available online.
On Sunday, Jan. 13, at approximately 12:15 PM, pro-life activists were in the crowd at The Green Street Cafe (located at 3110 Commodor Plaza, Coconut Grove Florida, just outside Miami) waiting for Giuliani to begin his Florida Bus Tour.
When Rudy Giuliani arrived, Joseph Landry (age 26) was within 5 feet of the candidate, and began yelling: You are a baby killer! You are a baby killer! Florida is pro-life! Rudy wants public funding for abortion!" See news report. Law enforcement officials immediately escorted Mr. Landry from the area, while Mr. Landry continued his monologue.
Within Minutes, Steven Pokorny, age 28, stood to his feet and cried out, "A third of my generation is dead because of politicians like Giuliani! Giuliani wants to kill children and have you pay for it!" Law enforcement did not stop Mr. Pokorny.
At that point, Giuliani left the building, without addressing the crowd.
Mr. Pokorny was able to follow Mr. Giuliani for more than a minute, yelling out about Rudy's pro-choice, pro-homosexual agenda. Again, Mr. Pokorny was not interrupted by police.
Giuliani officials had no idea how many pro-lifers were in the crowd, and how many more times Giuliani would be confronted. This might explain why Mr. Giuliani did not make any remarks - and left the meeting without addressing supporters.
Pro-lifers have scheduled confrontations with Rudy on every stop of his Florida Bus tour.
Video footage of the confrontations with Rudy is available upon request.
[What works is grass roots activism....
How many babies has that saved so far???]
I would say quite a few.
Church Groups Turn to Sonogram to Turn Women From Abortions
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/02/national/02pregnant.html?pagewanted=print&position=
Win hearts, minds and souls.
You are absolutely correct.
The First Amendment right to speak is denied to those in the womb that are viable. Or just ready to be born.
Their voices are not heard as they are brutally tortured and killed in the womb.
They are also denied their Constitutional Right to Life.
How loud do you think they would scream at Pro Abortion people?
Oh, that's right.
That would be harassing.
It wouldn't be "helpful or beneficial to the pro-life cause."
Some feel compelled to speak for those that cannot speak for themselves.
Steven Pokorny:... "A third of my generation is dead..."
He's speaking for millions of innocents slaughtered.
Once again you twist what people say around. Why is that, because you cannot debate the merits on honesty and truth?
It is you and your ilk who are wanting to force others to shut up, not me. I shall not impose MY will on others in the arena of public speech. That is what you and your ilk want, which makes you no different than liberals and fascists.
Why do you, is the question.
All that plays very well into the hands of the MSM, don’t you think? Which was my initial point exactly.
The MSM may even spin it as Rudy had to leave because there was a security threat-—you know, from those “anti-abortion extremists.”
I am all for protesting candidates-—but in a way and at a time that makes sense and is not likely to backfire. All this event might possibly do is feed stories that are sympathetic to the independent voters who only know the pro-life movement as a collection of kooks.
Since this is politics and the media, Rudy may in fact get more mileage out of having refused to engage the “kooks” (not my word, of course). Thus, instead of being some big victory for the pro-life movement, all it may end up doing is strengthening Rudy for another day.
That joke was in very poor taste.
That is all well and good if some people are having an effect on women not murdering babies.
But the murders, continue, by the millions, and with public moneis.
If others wish to take their speech to arenas that you don’t condone, who are you to dictate where and how they may deliver their message? In what way was the First Amendment written according to your personal ideals?
It wasn’t a joke.
“It is true that good and evil are not equivalent, but it is also true that Rudy is not evil. You might be misinformed about him, and you might be angry at him, but that doesn’t make him evil.”
He supports the forced endorsement of sodomy, baby-killing, and gun-grabbing, and those things, dear soul, most certainly *do* make him evil.
After 350 posts we could care less what you think...
4,000 unborn children are slaughtered in the US every day, and you want to play Mr know-it-all...
You have no answers...
You speak like a pro-abortionist who is attempting to discourage the people in here who are pro-life...
And stop sending me FReep mail ...
If you have anything to say say it here...
I’m fussy about who sends me private messages...
I noticed you told me that things you have not put in here...
Since you dont put them in the public arena, I have discounted what you have to say...I am not impressed by your secrets...
I am not on your side so stop trying to impress me... I dont care if you have been a POTUS..If you refuse to fight against abortion then you are enabling and condoning the deaths of 50 million innocent unborn children...
I know Randall Terry is not a very likeable figure...but this is one of his better moments.
It is a good message for the RNC - and it is one I tell them when they call me.
I also snip at them about the prescription drug for seniors fiasco.
I’m still steamed about that one.
Who says Rudy was flustered? For all you know, the MSM is going to spin this as he was Steel for walking away from (their view) a bunch of “kooks” and holding his ground and refusing to give them a platform.
No one, at least not me, is saying give Rudy a pass on anything. I’m saying, please, if you think these protests are going to get played out for good in the larger media, you need to reevaluate.
The Rats will quickly raise millions for this and Rudy will actually get *good* publicity among independents and others.
And no one’s heart on abortion will be changed at all because of this.
It’s not a win situation.
They know. And someone like Rudy is wiley enough to use it against you.
So don’t be fooled.
About six months ago, I searched old LA Times articles from the 1960s about the legislation Reagan signed. Below are my notes, and some quotes. (somewhat plagiarized--so credit to LAT)
In 1967, a democrat state lawmaker (Beilenson) pushed to liberalize the laws for just three reasons: to allow abortion in the case of rape, incest, or where the baby might be deformed. ...Governor Ronald Reagan's first response was "Here's an emotional problem that has so many facets of consideration. It is not only spiritual, but also legal... when does life begin? What right does the unborn life have? What legal right? I'm not prepared to answer now."
In subsequent statements, Reagan took great exception to the portion of the law addressing the possibilty of deformity. "I am satisfied in my own mind we can morally and logically justify liberalized abortions to protect the health of a mother. I cannot justify the taking of an unborn life simply on the supposition that the baby may be born less than a perfect human being... [this kind of thing] wouldn't be much different from what Hitler tried to do."
The deformity provision was dropped shortly thereafter. The final statute permitted abortions in the case of forcible rape, incest, statutory rape if the victim was under 15 years old or if there was a "substantial risk" that continued pregnancy would "gravely impair" the "physical or mental health" of the mother.
Several months before Reagan signed the final bill, Colorado passed similar legislation (thus, California was not "the first" as some have asserted.)
I’m not the one supporting the idea that Rudy and others should be denied the right to exercise his First Amendment rights by shouting them down. Code Pink does that stuff, and evidently, so do you.
Except for the cloths, no average person will be able to distinguish between you and Code Pink.
“You mean, what about being a Good German?”
Good one.
I might steal that one for personal use - if you don’t mind.
This isn’t about standing up and be counted. It’s about proceeding in such a way as to advance the cause of life, not deliver sound and vid bites to our political opponents on a silver platter.
This is not a zero sum proposition-—either the pro-life movement conducts this particular protest against X today or it does nothing at all, ever.
Rudy was not forceably restrained from speaking, as you would have the citizenry treated.
The Bill of Rights was written to protect the people from those who would govern them, not vice versa.
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/05/rudy_giulianis_economic_record.php
They did criticize him on some of instances where he failed to pass tax cuts, his opposition to NAFTA (though he’s now much more in favor of free trade) and a few other issues, but overall the review was very positive.
Specifically I would like to point to the statistics they show for spending. During his administration spending grew at 2.84%/year, which is slightly under the 2.9%/year combined population growth and inflation during his term. Also the city budget fell from 10.9% to 9.3% of the GCP (Gross City Product) of New York.
Of the three Republicans with executive experience I would say his fiscal record is the most conservative, though Romney’s isn’t bad, and might be considered more conservative if I placed more emphasis on other aspects of fiscal policy. Certainly he and Romney have far more conservative records than Mike Huckabee.
Both Romney and Giuliani are for more conservative economically than John McCain, and I would argue that Romney, Giuliani and Thompson deserve the label of fiscal conservative, while McCain is a fiscal moderate and Huckabee a fiscal liberal.
You are no different than a liberal or a fascist who would silence anyone with views or who have a manner of speaking with which you disagree.
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