Young Evangelicals Embrace Huckabee as Old Guard Balks

The New York TImes ^ | January 13, 2008 | David Kirkpatrick

[mngran2]

Much of the national leadership of the Christian conservative movement has turned a cold shoulder to the Republican presidential campaign of Mike Huckabee, wary of his populist approach to economic issues and his criticism of the Bush administration’s foreign policy. But that has only fired up Brett and Alex Harris.

The Harris brothers, 19-year-old evangelical authors and speakers who grew up steeped in the conservative Christian movement, are the creators of Huck’s Army, an online network that has connected 12,000 Huckabee campaign volunteers, including several hundred in Michigan, which votes Tuesday, and South Carolina, which votes Saturday.

They say they like Mr. Huckabee for the same reason many of their elders do not: “He reaches outside the normal Republican box,” Brett Harris said in an interview from his home near Portland, Ore.

The brothers fell for Mr. Huckabee last August when they saw him draw applause on “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart” for explaining that he believed in a Christian obligation to care for prenatal “life” and also education, health care, jobs and other aspects of “life.” “It is a new kind of evangelical conservative position,” Brett Harris said. Alex Harris added, “And we are not going to have to be embarrassed about him.”

Mr. Huckabee, who was a Southern Baptist minister before serving as governor of Arkansas, is the only candidate in the presidential race who identifies himself as an evangelical. But instead of uniting conservative Christians, his candidacy is threatening to drive a wedge into the movement, potentially dividing its best-known national leaders from part of their base and upending assumptions that have held the right wing together for the last 30 years.

[firebrand]

The Slimes to a T! Look at the disunity! This time it's not the Republicans but the evangelicals. They are having fantasy trips over the infiltration of the "social justice" types into the evangelical ranks.

"Social justice" = Christ's message not working fast enough and needs government help.

[Colofornian]

So, are you saying that the only place that one can worship God is in a particular building called a church?

No. In fact, the real meaning of "church" in the Greek isn't even a building. (The New Testament early Christians usually met in homes) The meaning of "church" in the Greek (ekklesia) = people who are called out (meaning called out of the world)

Since I don't think you're implying that Fred has worship services at his home, don't take my comments out of context...the context is where I mentioned the dimension of being a so-called "solo" Christian. A church is a group of people who assemble together.

[firebrand]

What prism chooseth thou then?

[Colofornian]

You are way overstating Huckabee’s political positions and tossing out exaggerations with the Christian label and I find it most offensive. I will proudly vote for Huckabee if Hunter doesn’t gain ground. Huckabee is singing the tune of a lot of voters.

A number of crits vs. Huck are legit...the problem with most FReepers who dislike Huck is they rarely cite them!!! They just come up with typical lib tactics of name-calling & plastering him with name-calling.

[Colofornian]

Huckabee is part of the religious left, because his doctrine is that of the religious left. The distinction is not simply whether you are for /or against abortion and "gay"-marriage. [verklaring]

You know, I'm getting tired of generic crits by FReepers that take on the tone of the liberal left (who tend to plaster placards & talk in soundbites). Be specific. What "religious left...doctrine" does Huck embrace. Quote chapter & verse, please. [There's enough to ding Huck on without having to make up stuff]

Huckabee introduced his false version of Christianity, "Christian obligations," into the political discussion as a reason to vote for him. Politically any one running against him has the right to question it.

What Huck quote are you referencing? (If you can't produce one, maybe you need a Bible refresher course on slander)

But for many of us this is more than a political issue, the issue at stake is a false gospel being used for political gain by a false prophet. It is Huckabee's misuse of the Christan faith which is shameful.

OK, I've seen this accusation in threads more than once. I'm willing to evaluate a serious accusation of Huck that documents this. But it's up to the accuser to connect the dots. One of the names for Satan is "accuser." If you accuse someone & are accurate, you are a truth teller. If you accuse someone & cannot back up what you say, guess whose camp you reside in?

[mombonn]

Truly an example of the blind leading the blind.

[codercpc]

Some in the Thompson team want to make this a war between Christians and it just should not be that. We do not owe it to each other to vote the same.

The funny part about this statement is that this is exactly what the Fred supporters tried be to all other candidates in the beginning. They thought that they were the natural candidate for the Christian conservatives, hence everyone else was wrong. Now that it is apparent that Huck is taking that group, now we are supposed to believe that religion isn't important, and we shouldn't mix religion with politics. Exactly what Rudy fans were saying to them last summer.

[Mark-in-Kentucky]

I’m working desperately to not let the fools supporting Huckabee color my perception of evangelicals in general, but it’s hard...very hard. I’m trying my ass off, though.

[dixiechick2000]

“The religious left are the religious people who are pro-abortion, pro-homosesxual pro-anything that offends our holy God.”

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I’m sorry...I misread that.
Of course the religious right is against all of that.

I didn’t ask you to do any research for me, but for yourself for your own enlightenment.
The religious left is part of the Republican party.
You seem to be thinking they are ‘Rats.
That’s why I pointed you to the Christian Democrats as they are what the religious left in the Republican party are.

They are socially conservative, but liberal on economic and national security issues, as is Huckabee.
The social conservative issues are very important to me, but so are the conservative economic and national security issues.

Where do you think Huckabee gets his propensity to be a nanny stater as in banning fat and smoking?
Why do you think he wants to close gitmo, and said Bush has an arrogant bunker mentality?
Why do you think he feels we need to repair our reputation in the world?
Why did he raise taxes a net $462 million?

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200801/POL20080110a.html

Good grief...he even imposed a tax on nursing home beds!

And why when called on all of these things does he back peddle?
It’s because he know those are liberal policies, and they won’t win him many votes in the Republican party.

He’s like the Christian Democrats, and is part of the religious left.
He and Ed Rollins would have us believe that Reagan conservatism is dead.
That’s not true, but those two are doing their dead level best to kill it.
And, if they succeed, we will fall the way of Old Europe.

Bank on it.

Please do a little research.
Don’t simply have faith in anyone, except the Lord.

Now, I’m through with this discussion.
I hope you will thoroughly check him out.
And, stop blaming Fred and his supporters for everything that you percieve as a slight.
This is politics, and the truth will be told even if it hurts some.

I am reminded of this...there is none so blind as those who will not see.

Have a good day!

[dixiechick2000]

Why did you ping me?
I didn’t say any of the things to which you responded in your post.

But here’s my last reply anyway.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1952664/posts?page=109#109

[jan in Colorado]

Thanks for the ping AuntB!

Reading through the thread I am amazed at how stating facts and reporting his record and repeating HIS own words and actions, is considered an attack, slander or hate for Mr. Huckabee.

Mr. Huckabee seems to be a very personable and likable man. He would be great as a preacher, but he would be an absolute disaster as the President of the United States.

He is socially conservative...but so are most of the Republican candidates. Fiscally he is the MOST liberal of the group.

His compassion is misplaced. It is the responsibility of the church and the individual to take care of others, not the Government. His intentions may be good, but growing dependency on the government by its citizens is liberal NOT conservative. Pardoning criminals and aiding and abetting lawbreakers (illegal aliens) is not something that is a Christian obligation or responsibility either. IMHO, it is immoral.

Arnold is not a conservative because of his social views, Huckabee is not a conservative because of his view of how he sees the role of Government (the same as the Democrats!)

The fact that he was endorsed by the teacher's union should tell us all we need to know.

He belongs in the pulpit, not in the White House!

[jan in Colorado]

there is none so blind as those who will not see.

That is why Rush says he doesn't even try to convince the Huckabee followers to face the truth.

With illegal immigration being such a huge issue, I am stunned that the two open border, amnesty promoters are the two top contenders at the moment!
I guess the ENEMEDIA can take the credit for that.

[Tramonto]

I met the Harris twins and was at the Iowa victory party in Portland OR when they gave this interview.

They are the guys who recruited Chuck Norris to the campaign as well. For a couple of 19 year olds, they are quite influential and are making a big difference for Huckabee.

[nmh]

Another thing about this motley group,

Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung and Ho Chi Minh, Huck

They too wanted GOVERNMENT to be their end all Messiah!

Does history repeat itself?

Does a bear poo in the woods?

[Colofornian]

Why did you ping me? I didn’t say any of the things to which you responded in your post.

Sometimes I'll PING the person a poster was writing to when I respond to the comment...(that's why you're second & not first on the "To" line)

[longtermmemmory]

The new ronpaul.

The DBM is creating a sacraficial anode christian.

[BillyBoy]

HUCK-A-PING!

"Unelectable" Huckabee is winning elections!

***SKY IS FALLING, SOUND THE ALARMS***

WARNING: The preceding thread is a pre-written automated “Huckabee is an evil socialist nanny-state marxist tax-hiker, illegal-alien loving liberal” fear monger post designed to cherry-pick The Freeper Governor’s TM record in order to paint him in the worst possible light.
Why?
The same people who gloated a few monthes ago that everyone else “fears Fred”, now themselves...

FEAR THE HUCKSTER!
TRUTH SQUAD: Click HERE to find out how freeper’s felt about Mike Huckabee’s record when he was actually IN office.

[Madame Dufarge]

Huckabee represents a clear invasion of the Religious right by the religious left.

Victor Gollancz was an influential Communist publisher in the 30's. This is an excerpt from Paul Johnson's Intellectuals on the subject of the co-opting of religion by the Communists/Socialists:

"It was at this point that Gollancz ceased to be a commercial publisher as such and became a political propagandist; at this point, too, that the systematic deception began. A sign of his new policy was a letter to the Reverend Percy Dermer, Canon of Westminster, commissioned to edit Christianity and the Crisis. The book, he laid down, had to be and look 'official', containing contributions from 'a considerable number of high dignitaries of the Church.'

But, he wrote, 'I am perhaps a rather peculiar kind of publisher in that, on topics which I believe to be of vital importance, I am anxious to publish nothing with which I am not in agreement.' Hence the book must start out from the position that 'Christianity is not solely a religion of personal salvation but must essentially concern itself with poliltics' and it must then go 'all out' for immediate and practical socialism and internationalism.

Despite these clear elements of deception and direction, the Canon complied..."

[verklaring]

1. Quote from original article, which is presumed to be accurate

“The brothers fell for Mr. Huckabee last August when they saw him draw applause on “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart” for explaining that he believed in a Christian obligation to care for prenatal “life” and also education, health care, jobs and other aspects of “life.”

This is social gospel liberalism, not just pro-life. or a Christian attitude. It is part of his campaigning. He is using the Christian faith to get votes, which is itself merchandising the gospel

2. Huckabee was called of Christ to preach the gospel as a minister of the word. He forsook this office to become a politician. “Luke 9:62 “ And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his had to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

3. An example on immigration, of which, others could be found such as his relation with Tyson chicken.

Arkansas Democrat Gazette

Huckabee plan would give aid to illegal aliens
BY LAURA KELLAMS
Posted on Wednesday, January 12, 2005

Huckabee said it’s “terribly unjust”for a child who arrived in Arkansas at a young age and graduated from high school to be denied state-funded college scholarships because of a “a status that he had no control over.” “Do we want to change the future for these kids? Then let’s give them the opportunity. Let’s not say that our doors are open but our opportunities are closed,”Huckabee said Tuesday in his State of the State Address to the General Assembly.

The governor never used the words “illegal alien”in his speech but referred to high school graduates’ “status,”which confused some lawmakers. “We think he’s talking about illegal aliens, but we don’t know,”said Sen. Dave Bisbee, a Republican who said he opposed the idea.

Huckabee’s spokesman, Rex Nelson, confirmed that Huckabee, also a Republican, was referring to illegal aliens. (snip)

Consider the following:

“ let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God; and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.” Romans 13:1,2. ...”Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but for conscience sake.” Romans 13:5

“Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake: whether it be to the king , as supreme; or unto governors...I Peter 2:13,14.

People with their children who are in this country illegally violate the law. That law, unlike the one child policy of China, requires no man to sin. Disobeying it is both illegal and sin. Staying in this country illegally is continuing in unrepentant sin which leads the unrepentant sinner and his children who walk in it to damnation (hell). 18 year olds of college age are morally responsible.

Mr. Huckabee as a magistrate had a responsibility to enforce the law, also the federal immigration law. This is particularly the case as one who professes to be a Christian in that office - He also must be in subjection for conscience sake. His actions in this regard were sin. His “this is terribly unjust” is false. His actions were unjust.

But consider further - What is his calling as one who also is a minister of the gospel, and who claims to still be one? Show me where he called these unrepentant sinners and their families to repent of their sins and forsake them!. In state tuition for illegals, encourages a continuation in illegality - in sin.

Consider further: The Apostle Paul’s statement, after speaking of repentance and faith in his preaching, “I am pure from the blood of all men.’ acts 20:26. His reference is to Ezekiel 33:8,9 in its context. The point is, if one who is an minister of the gospel does not warn unrepentant sinners of their sin and lets them continue in it to their destruction, God will count that minister as a murder of souls! He will do so in the day of judgment. Where has Huckabee publicly repented of his sin? Frankly, the man walks to his own spiritual hurt not just that of others.

4. Now the same issues could be applied to his pardons of murders, by which he violated the biblical duty of his office, his subverting of parental home schooling, taxes, use of tax payer moneys for personal perks.

These are all issues of public record and conduct while in office. They are Christian doctrinal and Biblical issues not simply political. Keep in mind that in this race for office he is virtually promoting himself as "the Christian" candidate. Pointing them out is not slander. Now, please read II Peter 2 and the epistle of Jude.

[AuntB]

“Thompson is... just stooping to slander.
OK, you’ve made a serious charge, now substantiate it. Post a link to a slanderous statement by Fred Thompson.”

You must be confused. If anyone has been slanderous, it’s Huck. Metamucil? C’mon, that’s insult politics. Thompson has stated Huckabees record. His liberal record that lines up more with the democrats than republicans. If Huck feels insulted, he earned it.