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Crumpled map solves mystery of German gun behind D-Day massacre (Amateur historian finds at a fair)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | January 4, 2008

Posted on 01/04/2008 10:08:40 AM PST by Stoat

Crumpled map solves mystery of German gun behind D-Day massacre

Last updated at 17:03pm on 4th January 2008

A baffling mystery of the D-Day landings was solved by an amateur historian - after he found a crumpled map at a fair in Stockport.

 

Experts have long disputed the location of the main Nazi gun battery which caused carnage on Omaha Beach, in terrible scenes which were recreated for the Hollywood film Saving Private Ryan.

 

The Germans had built a decoy gun emplacement overlooking the area while the location of the real guns which blasted the beach, where 2,000 men lost their lives, remained unclear.

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Gunning position: The location of the Nazi gun battery was long disputed

 

But Gary Sterne, a publisher and collector, stumbled on the answer as he browsed through items at a Stockport militaria fair and a piece of paper fell out of a pair of US serviceman's trousers.

 

It turned out to be an invasion map for Omaha Beach, which included an area marked Area of High Resistance he thought could be the "lost" Nazi gun emplacements.

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Amateur historian Garry Sterne tracked down the 'lost' gun emplacements after finding a tattered map

 

"It sparked my curiosity, because that area was previously thought to be just fields," he said.

 

The 43-year-old father of two from Cheadle Hulme travelled to Normandy to examine the area - and bought it.

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HQ Nazi gun emplacements

The headquarters of the 'lost' Nazi gun emplacements. Mr Sterne bought the site bit by bit from 32 different landowners

 

He spent thousands buying the 40-acre site bit-by-bit from 32 different landowners, and two years excavating trenches and bunkers to reveal the 'Maisy Battery'.

 

Mr Sterne believes this was responsible for the brutal bombardment of Omaha on D-Day and for days afterwards until its capture on June 9, 1944.

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Sterne spent two years excavating the trenches and bunkers at the site

 

Now Mr Sterne plans to open a museum on the site and the battery will be featured in a documentary for the BBC Timewatch programme.

 

Mr Sterne has contacted veterans of the US 5th Ranger Battalion, who confirmed taking Maisy Battery from the Germans.

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The radio room at the site, believed to be responsible for the brutal bombardment of Omaha on D-Day

 

The Timewatch documentary, Bloody Omaha, is presented by Richard Hammond on BBC2 on Sunday at 9pm.

 

What do you think? Have your say.

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Thousands of American troops were gunned down as they landed at Omaha beach on D-Day

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How the carnage was captured in Saving Private Ryan



TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: banglist; dday; england; france; germany; godsgravesglyphs; milhist; militaryhistory; omaha; omahabeach; overlord; uk; ww2
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To: ClearCase_guy

good point.


81 posted on 01/06/2008 12:21:10 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: blackie; glock rocks; NormsRevenge
Why I was a mere child of 11 in May of 44 and One of my brothers had been in England for well over a year preparing for the D Day invasion. My BiL was there waiting to build the first P47 airfield behind Omaha Beach around June 12. My other brother was winging his way toward being in one of B17’s slated to support the invasion. Unfortunately his group bombed behind American lines killing several GI’s including a General. All three came home and led productive lives and raise families...
82 posted on 01/06/2008 1:13:13 PM PST by tubebender (Lost another one to the Tag Line bandit...)
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To: indcons; Stoat
I'm never disappointed when I'm pinged to these fascinating historical threads. Thanks to you both.

Keep 'em coming.

Leni

83 posted on 01/06/2008 1:17:45 PM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Learning where to look.....

It may be that he had a map but I doubt he found it crumpled in a pair of ols pants.


84 posted on 01/06/2008 1:53:02 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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To: Stoat

bookmark


85 posted on 01/06/2008 2:03:17 PM PST by HoosierHawk
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To: Stoat; All
As said the Iplayer will only allow you to download and view if in the UK or a UK resident, but does the ONLINE version not work?

That was what I was saying, here is the address to watch it on line, you can indeed go full screen on it as well and watch the show on your PC or output it to your TV if the graphics card you have allows that. Please let me know if it works OK.

Tony

Timewatch show with a little about the battery but all about the landings link below....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b008p88c.shtml?q=timewatch&start=1&scope=iplayersearch&version_pid=b008p858

86 posted on 01/06/2008 3:24:39 PM PST by taylortony
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To: AZLiberty; Kenny Bunk
"No WMD in Iraq," has now achieved Urban Legend Status, just like "Al Gore's Stolen Victory."

When do you suppose Snopes will debunk this Urban Legend?

Here is a preview.

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87 posted on 01/06/2008 3:39:20 PM PST by Polybius
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To: tubebender

Great story!! :):)


88 posted on 01/06/2008 5:02:05 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: indcons
Thank you very much for pinging your list  :-)

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89 posted on 01/06/2008 6:20:11 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: MinuteGal; All
I'm never disappointed when I'm pinged to these fascinating historical threads. Thanks to you both.

You're quite welcome Leni; I'm delighted that you've found this to be interesting  :-)

A NOTE TO ALL:

Quite a few readers have said thankful. gracious and complimentary things pertaining to their appreciation of this thread, and I just wanted everyone to know that I appreciate their kind words very much, even if I haven't responded individually to everyone.  I hope that I haven't seemed rude by my frequent lack of response, but there have been so many GREAT posts on this thread touching on a variety of points that if I were to respond to all it would have doubled the number of pages that people have to scroll through  :-)  Please know that I've read all of your posts and just because I haven't responded doesn't mean that I haven't read your post and it doesn't mean that your post wasn't appreciated  :-)

(I'm also feeling a bit shy and overwhelmed by all of the kind words  :-) )

90 posted on 01/06/2008 6:32:32 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: taylortony
Hello Tony and thanks again for your followup.

I apologize, it seems that I was being my usual inarticulate self in my earlier post. I actually was meaning to refer to the online player, and the new link that you so kindly provided delivers the same "only in the UK" error message that I got before.

It seems that The Beeb is blocking specific strings of IP and / or MAC addresses that correspond to computers outside of the UK, and so that includes us Yanks.

Not to worry, many of the BBC programs are eventually released on DVD here in the USA and so there's a chance that we will be able to see it here one day.

Thanks again for your kind efforts and your desire to help us :-)

Cheers!

 guinness 1

91 posted on 01/06/2008 6:47:21 PM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Constitution Day
Sure! :)

Unfortunately, as our only member, your maintenance fees are going to be un-friggin'-believable. :O

92 posted on 01/06/2008 9:03:31 PM PST by nodumbblonde
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To: Stoat; taylortony; All

Yes, unfortunately we Yanks aren’t allowed access. The program is in the Sunday Evening listing, so any Brit still has six days to catch it.

Many thanks to you both, Stoat and taylortony — and I too welcome you to FR. Are you aware there is a UK site similar to ours? http://freebritannia.6.forumer.com/index.php is Free Britannia, another good group.


93 posted on 01/06/2008 10:42:35 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: taylortony

Unfortunately, I get the message “Sorry, this programme is only available to play in the UK (Why?)” posted across the screen. Many thanks for trying, though.


94 posted on 01/06/2008 10:46:42 PM PST by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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