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Muslim Claims of Accomplishment--What Arab Civilization?
ChristiansOfIraq.com | Frontpagemagazine ^ | January 04, 2008 | Peter BetBasoo

Posted on 01/04/2008 5:22:04 AM PST by SJackson

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To: wmileo

lol...I had to teach our Sr. VP of Marketing how to cut n’ paste a line of text.


21 posted on 01/04/2008 5:56:12 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("Never get involved in a land war in Asia.")
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To: SJackson

Weren’t they the ones who taught a Camel to go 7 days without drinking? /sarc


22 posted on 01/04/2008 5:56:50 AM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: SJackson

Being successful and productive is not possible for Arabs.... it’s against their religion. They have only anarchy and misery as their legacy.


23 posted on 01/04/2008 5:57:57 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: kipita

It is something else. Such information are hints, little teases, that there may have existed far in the past, before the great meltdown at the end of the last ice age, highly developed civilizations.

Around 15,000 years ago, sea level was 500 feet lower than that of today. Archaeologists in India have been discovering sunken cities of stone, with pyramids, offshore of southern coastlines. Their Vedas have hinted at such things but western academics pooh-pooh the idea.

Portolan maps are reputed to show the shorelines that existed 15,000 - 8,000 years ago (pre-inundation). Columbus supposedly possessed one. All this is pretty far out, but the Assyrians weren’t the only ones who knew about the actual configuration of the solar system. So did ancient peoples in Central America.


24 posted on 01/04/2008 5:58:45 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: SJackson

Dear Editor:

“Muslim Spain was a perfect example of a flourishing society in which Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in mutual respect and cooperation.”

Muslim Spain was Christian Spain for over 400 years before being conquered by Islamic Armies in the 8th Century. That is the way the Islamic Religion has been historically spread, though military invasion and occupation. Treatment of conquered people has the same goal, the minimizing of other religions and conversion of the indigenous people. Among other rules for non Muslims in Muslim Spain; Christians and Jews could not bear arms — Muslims could; Christians and Jews could not ride horses — Muslims could; Christians and Jews had to get permission to build or fix places or worship — Muslims did not; Christians and Jews had to pay certain taxes which Muslims did not; Christians could not proselytize — Muslims could; Christians and Jews had to bow to their Muslim masters; Christians and Jews had to live under the laws set forth in the Koran, not under either their own religious or secular law; Christian’s and Jew’s word in a court of law was not equal to a Muslim’s Word; Christian and Jewish families had to give up a son for conversion and military service in Muslim armies and the most beautiful and largest Christian Churches were converted to Mosques. And the list goes on.

Today, 1300 years later, a Christian or Jew living in an Islamic country will still have to live nearly under these very same laws. I can see why the head of the Philadelphia chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations would want us all to do “our part” to create such a world.

Regards,

2banana


25 posted on 01/04/2008 6:00:41 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: kipita; SJackson
What I’d like to know is how the Assyrians knew about all the of planets in our solar system and that Saturn had rings, Uranus was blue-green and there was a missing planet. Is this a hoax? Bad interpretation of something else?

No, it's not a hoax. They learned these things from the Sumerians, who learned it from the Annunaki.

26 posted on 01/04/2008 6:02:30 AM PST by tarheelswamprat
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To: SJackson

bump for later read.


27 posted on 01/04/2008 6:02:50 AM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: Slapshot68

Actually, Catholic Christianity was very interested in philosophy and science, and just before Islam invaded Spain, Southern Spain was the one bright spot in the Dark Ages. St. Isidore of Seville published his huge compendium of “all human knowledge,” including the work of Aristotle and Classical scientists and philosophers, only decades before the Muslim invasion.

For various reasons, Southern Spain had not been thoroughly conquered in the barbarian invasions. The invaders were Germanic tribes that were mostly Arian Christians. They were similar to Muslims in their rejection of the Trinity and hence, of created nature, and as they spread across Europe, the effect of Arianism and other variants that followed it destroyed much of European/ME Christian culture and unity, particularly among the Byzantine churches. This in turn was one of the factors that made it much easier for Islam to pick up momentum.

The problem with Islam is that it can’t be “reformed.” Reform means that the essence of something is good and all you have to do is get back to that essence; the problem with Islam is that its essence is evil, and in fact Islamic “reform” movements are actually those that seek to root out any moderation or reason and go back to the purity of the vicious, superstitious theocratic political system dreamed up by Mohammed.


28 posted on 01/04/2008 6:04:18 AM PST by livius
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To: SJackson

bump for posterity......


29 posted on 01/04/2008 6:08:01 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: SatinDoll
My ancestors invented concrete. We made things out of it...aqueducts...coliseums....shoes...
30 posted on 01/04/2008 6:09:16 AM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: SJackson

Mr. BetBasoo confirms it. Islam needs to be eliminated from the earth, as surely as the Nazis and the Soviet Communists (and, soon, the Chicoms).

Excellent post.


31 posted on 01/04/2008 6:12:37 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion...)
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To: massgopguy

“.shoes...”
Thanks for the first laugh of the day!


32 posted on 01/04/2008 6:13:32 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: massgopguy

They were my ancestors, too.


33 posted on 01/04/2008 6:15:53 AM PST by SatinDoll (Fred Head and proud of it!)
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To: SJackson

After reaching a zenith in 15th century Moorish Spain, Muslim civilization retreated back to the 7th century and had no Renaissance, Reformation nor Enlightenment. It was the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment that in the west lead to all the things that have advanced our civilization to where it is today.


34 posted on 01/04/2008 6:16:45 AM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: SJackson

Before-and-after pics of the Great Pyramid offer a good example of the influence of Arab rule. Before them, it was smooth white limestone all over, the most perfect structure man had ever built. After they skinned it and hacked a hole in the side, searching for loot, it looks like a mountain of perfect rubble.


35 posted on 01/04/2008 6:22:41 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: tarheelswamprat; SJackson; SatinDoll
No, it's not a hoax. They learned these things from the Sumerians, who learned it from the Annunaki.

What's amazing about this is that the Annunaki supposedly created the double helix to create man (the intertwined snakes) and the modern day inventor of the double helix discovered it while taking LSD. And then there's a hypothesis that the Lion at Giza actually had a Lion's head (based on measurements of the body vs. the head) and was altered by the Egyptians. Also, the weathering on the Lion's body is eerily similar to water erosion, which means the date is before 10,000 years ago. For me what's amazing is the fact that the pryamid sank 6 inches since its creation and the angles of the hole relative to astrology match exactly to 12,500 years ago.

36 posted on 01/04/2008 6:24:26 AM PST by kipita (“Love” is to humanity as gravitons are to an infinite # of universes.)
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To: Slapshot68

Sure, Arabs did accomplish a lot. They ran caravans through the desert, and attacked and pillaged other people’s caravans. There wasn’t much else you could do in that environment.
Then along came Mohammed, an illiterate eccentric from a single-parent family, who hit on the right combination: fanatical religion as a cover for a thriving business of conquest and enslavements.
Considering how sly Arabs can be, it is remarkable how uncreative and uninventive they have been for all these years. One author has noted that the total gross domestic products of all Arab countries (not counting petroleum income) is less that the GDP of tiny Finland. Islamic Arabs are among the worlds most notable underachievers. Where they go, poverty follows.


37 posted on 01/04/2008 6:30:30 AM PST by docbnj
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To: SJackson

“”... Carly Fiorina, CEO of Hewlett Packard Corporation, in response to a speech she presented in Minneapolis on September 26, 2001. It is reprinted by permission. Please read and pass it on to others.””
don’t you remember ALL the scatology on PBS etc immediately following 911 ?
aRab contributions /history ?
we went wild.
I told my kids they couldn’t even invent a bobby pin or a Qtip.


38 posted on 01/04/2008 6:31:26 AM PST by catroina54
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To: SJackson

bttt


39 posted on 01/04/2008 6:35:11 AM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: massgopguy

cement “shoes” - Ha! That’s funny.


40 posted on 01/04/2008 6:35:16 AM PST by NYFriend
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