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A cold spell soon to replace global warming
RIA Novosti ^ | 1/03/2008 | Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin

Posted on 01/03/2008 6:04:59 PM PST by sionnsar

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To: Freep EE

I sure hope so. I’m pretty sure that if this warming trend continues much longer, the AGW fear mongers are going to convince the general populace that we need to give away many of our auto/energy/heating freedoms, and tax fuel up the wazoo....all in their bogus claim of saving the planet.


41 posted on 01/04/2008 7:49:13 PM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I think it's doubtful that humans even today have more then a minute impact on the global temperature increases (of 4/10th’s of one degree C). But claiming AGW has been going on since preindustrial times? That seems ludicrous to me. I wonder: How does this guy, Ruddiman, explain the Little Ice age which occurred between 1400 AD and 1800?


42 posted on 01/05/2008 4:46:37 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: backhoe

bump^ -great post, backhoe!


43 posted on 01/05/2008 4:48:09 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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To: FBD

44 posted on 01/05/2008 5:17:15 AM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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To: vox humana

He won’t either because he will have to give back his Nobel Peace Prize.

This conforms what I have suspected, the earth is in it’s natural heating/cooling cycle.


45 posted on 01/05/2008 5:32:33 AM PST by tob2
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To: devere
This author is in touch with reality.

Wow, I guess that settles it then. Anything you'd like to add, like specific arguments?

46 posted on 01/05/2008 5:43:13 AM PST by TN4Liberty (Fred Thompson - the candidate for grownups.)
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To: sionnsar
Remember, all these "predictions" (also spelled: "wild guesses") are being made by people and organizations (I.E. The Weather Channel) who CANNOT get todays weather right or change the 10-day forecast 35 times in the next 48 hours, "because the computer models changed." So, wouldn't that tell you that their stupid computer models could also be WRONG about their predictions ONE HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW!!!!! NO, of course not!!! We might not be able to predict the weather TOMORROW or THE NEXT DAY, but we are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY POSITIVE that the world is going to end in 100 years from the global warming hoax.
47 posted on 01/05/2008 5:51:33 AM PST by RetiredArmy (Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
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To: TN4Liberty

“Anything you’d like to add, like specific arguments?”

Ask Fred, he knows.


48 posted on 01/05/2008 8:44:19 AM PST by devere
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To: devere

Yeah, that’s what I thought.


49 posted on 01/05/2008 8:45:48 AM PST by TN4Liberty (Fred Thompson - the candidate for grownups.)
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To: FBD
We agree that the global warming scare is a hoax.

I like Ruddiman’s hypothesis, because it’s reasonable and as “testable” as any other GW hypothesis out there.

Algorians claim we’re all gonna die because of man-made run-away global warming. (Oops — make that climate change, to cover any eventuality).

Opponents to Algore (i.e. rational people like FReepers) usually argue either that there is no global warming; or that there may be, but it’s entirely natural cycles.

Ruddiman gives us more ammo against the Goreheds. Only man-made global warming has kept us from a devastating ice-age for at least 2,000 years. We’re not gonna die, so long as we can keep up the good work of adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.

50 posted on 01/05/2008 12:51:27 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Justa
What he's saying folks is the Greenhouse Effect is false.

I think to be precise, the Greenhouse Effect is real but it's been stretched way beyond any empirically justifiable limits for political purposes. Russians are especially experienced at detecting this phenomenon after seventy years of sifting through Soviet bullshit.

51 posted on 01/05/2008 1:27:41 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: devere

It’s a good summary.

Concide, to the point.

Which is why it will be ignored by the MSM and National Geographic, etc.


52 posted on 01/05/2008 4:04:36 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: TN4Liberty; devere; sionnsar
This author is in touch with reality.
Wow, I guess that settles it then. Anything you’d like to add, like specific arguments?

No, I think the quote, and the quoted scientist, are both pretty much right.

53 posted on 01/05/2008 4:06:58 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sionnsar

The envirowhackos have seen this coming, so now they’ve changed the propaganda lingo to “global climate change” (all caused by humans, of course) rather than global warming.


54 posted on 01/05/2008 4:12:13 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Justa

“What he’s saying folks is the Greenhouse Effect is false.”

The greenhouse effect is very real, otherwise the earth would be a much colder place . But the greenhouse effect is 95% due to water vapor, and only 5% due to CO2, methane, nitrous oxide, and other gases. The total human contribution to the greenhouse effect is approximately 0.28%, while 99.72% of the greenhouse effect is due to natural causes. Humans putting more CO2 into the air has very little effect on the earth’s climate. It does however make plant’s grow faster, and gets wacko power-mad environmentalists very irate.


55 posted on 01/05/2008 7:19:25 PM PST by devere
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To: devere
No, it’s false. Both this article and the one I linked cite atmospheric temperature data which refutes the expected temperature differences of the Greenhouse effect.

Yes, the atmosphere retains heat due to water vapor and gas density but that is not the Greenhouse effect as known and modeled. The Greenhouse effect is increased air density from CO2 and other man-made heavy gasses creates a barrier which diminishes heat dissipation, raising the overall temperature -in aggregate! Lumping water vapor and everything else which naturally retain heat and are atmospheric constants into the model gives it undue legitimacy making it harder to debunk.

The underlying premise of the Greenhouse effect model is patently false and should be discarded, not tweaked and amended to correlate with other processes.

56 posted on 01/06/2008 2:46:51 AM PST by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I don’t know if it’s more ammo or not, especially if man’s effect is negligible, but as you say, his is probably as reasonable a hypothesis as the mainstream [whacko] thought on AGW.
57 posted on 01/06/2008 7:55:36 AM PST by FBD (My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
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