A cold spell soon to replace global warming

RIA Novosti ^ | 1/03/2008 | Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin

[Grizzled Bear]

If a planet has a fever, it is sure to have chills too.

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If a planet has a fever it needs MORE COW BELL!

[El Gato]

First it was the coming ice age, then it was global warming, now we’re back to the coming ice age...

And it the same coming ice age, based on the same effects. Only we know even more about them now than we did before.

It's coming, the Big One, not just "Hans Brinker and the Silver Skates"(Ice on the Dutch canal networks) But a real Ice Age, big glaciers of the sort that gave us the prairie potholes and the Great Lakes. How soon? Well we're overdue already, but any millennium now, maybe any century.

(The appearance of more, "high frequency" variation in more recent data is due to higher sampling rate, that is more closely spaced samples)

[El Gato]

It will continue to get warmer. And we’ll live with it, because we’re not causing it and can’t stop it.

We can't stop it, but it's not *just* warming. See graph in Post 22

[devere]

This author is in touch with reality.

[steelyourfaith]

"Hot Air Cult"

~~Anthropogenic Global Warming ™ ping~~

[familyop]

"We can't stop it, but it's not *just* warming. See graph in Post 22"

Good! I like to hike up and down the peaks to snowboard in arctic weather. ...was doing some backcountry boarding a few days ago and was toasty warm even under cheap gear. In past recent years, it usually briefly hit lower than -20F some mornings near solstice at this altitude (high). And although most of the winter has been like summer here, it's great to not have other people around. At noon, one can even lay in front of a window to catch the low sun for sunbathing indoors (20 minutes or so for plenty of vitamin D).

I wish that an ice age would come quickly, as a new glacier in the back yard for four-wheeling and boarding would be wonderful (as would seeing all the weirdo greenies go away), but I fear that it won't happen soon. ...will have to settle for watching the multitudes of new bear (from the warming so far) eat the greenies next fall.

[FBD]

-Global cooling is probably still a few years off, based on the solar cycle 24 predictions, which is predicted to peak in 2010. Unfortunately, this gives the AGW proponents a few more years to blather on:

[geopyg]

“Unfortunately, this gives the AGW proponents a few more years to blather on:”

AND - the opportunity to say “see how right we were and how well we have saved the planet” (and just in time for another election year too!)

[backhoe]

A mocking, tongue-in-cheek summary of "the coming ice age," err, "Y2K," err, "global warming," err, "climate change," Yeah! That's right! What we used to call, "Having Weather..."

Snow Flurries Possible In Central Florida During Hard Freeze

...WET AND WINDY WEATHER HEADING FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA THIS WEEKEND... Jan 2, 2008

Freeze could bring record low tonight

Neil Frank disputes 'questionable' storm counts

Tennessee drivers urged to 'Take it Slow' in the snow

And, in the "Well, Duh!" department...

NY Times: Global Warming Claims Bogus--Too late for California and Ahnold...

Snow Sets NH Record(And not a peep out of Al Bore!LOL)--This afternoon's global warming in process.

Snow sets NH record-- fer Gawd's sake, somebody please

Sierra could be in for potent storms (up to 5 to 10 feet of snow)

Chiller!

Published by Gaius under Environment

The British Met Office is predicting a brutal cold spell in Britain for the New Year. Many areas will be at sub-zero temperatures and much of the country will be blanketed in snow.The comments are hysterical. A lot of sniping at global warming and the occasional true believer popping in. Including the folks from Australia who say they are having a heat wave - who appear to have forgotten completely that Australia suffered the coldest June since 1950 this year. Or that waiting for a Harry Potter book in bitterly cold Canberra in July could cause hypothermia. Not to mention the fact that there is snow cover reaching all the way to the Mediterranean this year.

Y2Kyoto: "Shocking" Ice Recovery

Just in time for Canada's top weather story of 2007...

Alexandre Aguiar, MetSul Weather Center, Brazil; "In the Northern Hemisphere, the ice and snow cover have recovered to within 1% (one snowstorm) of normal with the official start of winter still more than 12 days away."

Today's image.

Posted by Kate at 6:10 PM | Comments (32) "...the Believers know their ponzi scheme is up..."

Lowest Temps In 4 Years Expected In Central Florida To Begin 2008

'Green fatigue' leads to fear of backlash over climate change

Send Global Warming fast...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=504912&in_page_id=1811

Ice spectacular as plummeting temperatures turn lighthouse into winter wonderlandLast updated at 15:48pm on 28th December 2007

Comments (3)

[driftless2]

Notice that this scientist has stated that temperature changes run ahead of carbon dioxide fluctuations. A number of scientists have pointed that out.

[Justa]

What he's saying folks is the Greenhouse Effect is false.

Great article by a scientist showing integrity in the face of pervasive corruption. However, as is often the case now this conclusion was cited and posted on FR 2 weeks ago. [/shameless self-promotion].

[FBD]

excellant point, and one I’m sure the AGW proponents will use.

[ohioman]

We are still in a Ice Age.

Our current time is considered as an Interglacial Warm Period; that is, the world still has major Ice Sheets but they are not advancing or covering up a large portion of North America or Europe.

What the Gorebal Warming shills never mention is that for many millions of year’s the Earth had no Ice Sheets. I guess they will blame that on Dinosaur farts.

[fish hawk]

Warm weather is not a bad thing. I know because this Island of Maui is loaded with tourist every winter. People mostly from the northern states and Canada. Proof that cold is not very popular.

[Freep EE]

A new sunspot prediction is Out dated 1/2/08. It looks like it is to be later and much lower! Cycle 25 is already forecasted to be very low.-So here comes global cooling.

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/weekly/Predict_low.txt

[Old Professer]

Notice the dates, 2014 and 2041; the very same as the deadlines in the massive climate-change induced rush to legislation.

In both cases the dates are tantalizingly close to observational proof but the warmers don’t want to take a chance, so they must strike now, while the iron is “hot.”

More and more, it seems like we’re getting hosed.

[Old Professer]

No more than the interregnum causes wars.

[Old Professer]

That conclusion precludes the absence of the previous periods having experienced any such mitigation to disrupt perfect cycles; were they all of equal duration?

[USFRIENDINVICTORIA]

Your query prompted me to dig for citations.

The hypothesis of a delayed ice age was set out in a Scientific American article by William F. Ruddiman. Here's a link:

http://sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID_CHAR=F9374686-2B35-221B-635B1D2A02A8B6D5

And another (whole article, minus graphs, for free):

http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~liougst/Lecture/Ruddiman_SciAm_2005.pdf

Ruddiman has also written a book, which I haven't read, but is probably worth going to the library for. Here's a link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691133980?ie=UTF8&tag=hatrackriver&link_code=em1&camp=212341&creative=384065&creativeASIN=0691133980&adid=61d4947b-1aaf-4899-94da-5a7191ecc309

Ruddiman's thesis is that humans have been altering the climate for at least 8,000 years -- and that's a good thing.

There were some compelling graphs in Ruddiman's SciAm article, which I haven't been able to find. Here's a substitute that shows that the answer to your question is "No" -- or more precisely, we've been enjoying a prolonged plateau in the cycle, which (according to Ruddiman) should have dipped into glaciation thousands of years ago.



Here's a quote from Ruddiman's SciAm article:



"My findings add a new wrinkle to each scenario. If anything, such forecasts of an "impending" ice age were actually understated: new ice sheets should have begun to grow several millennia ago. The ice failed to grow because human-induced global warming actually began far earlier than previously thought--well before the industrial era.

In these kinds of hotly contested topics that touch on public policy, scientific results are often used for opposing ends. Global-warming skeptics could cite my work as evidence that human-generated greenhouse gases played a beneficial role for several thousand years by keeping the earth's climate more hospitable than it would otherwise have been. Others might counter that if so few humans with relatively primitive technologies were able to alter the course of climate so significantly, then we have reason to be concerned about the current rise of greenhouse gases to unparalleled concentrations at unprecedented rates.

The rapid warming of the past century is probably destined to persist for at least 200 years, until the economically accessible fossil fuels become scarce. Once that happens, the earth's climate should begin to cool gradually as the deep ocean slowly absorbs the pulse of excess CO2 from human activities. Whether global climate will cool enough to produce the long-overdue glaciation or remain warm enough to avoid that fate is impossible to predict.

[HankReardon]

What the “climate change” movement is really all about:

Madeline Albright once stated that mankind would be better off if the USA was not a superpower. (paraphrasing, does anyway have the exact quote?)

Many truly believe that the leading deterent to world peace is the USA. These people long for the USA to be “equal” to all the other socialist nations.

The United States cannot be defeated militarily. The “climate change” movement is only one way they are attacking Capitalism, American business and the American economy.

They are right about one thing. The United States of America is the greatest threat to world peace. America saved mankind from tryanny three times during the 20th century.

If not for the USA, the entire world would be lost to tyranny and then there would be world peace. As long as there are Free nations there will be war against dictators and tyrants or there will be no Free nations.