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A Degree of Insignificance (College Degrees getting to be useless nowadays)
WorldnetDaily ^ | 12/29/2007 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 12/29/2007 4:25:58 PM PST by SeekAndFind

.S. News & World Report, which has made a name for itself by ranking and announcing the best colleges every year, is now ranking and listing the best careers for young people. A comparison of the latest lists shows a shocking disconnect and makes for dispiriting holiday reading.

While the price of a college education has skyrocketed far faster than inflation, many careers for which colleges prepare their graduates are disappearing. U.S. News' Best Careers guide concludes, "college grads might want to consider blue-collar careers" because bachelor's degree holders "are having trouble finding jobs that require college-graduate skills."

Incredibly, U.S. News is telling college graduates to look for jobs that do not require a college diploma. Among the 31 best opportunities for 2008 are the careers of firefighter, hairstylist, cosmetologist, locksmith and security-system technician.

Where did the higher-skill jobs go? Both large and small companies are "quietly increasing off-shoring efforts."

Ten years ago, we were told we really didn't need manufacturing because it can be done more cheaply elsewhere, that auto workers and others should move to information-age jobs. But now the information jobs are moving offshore, too, as well as marketing research and even many varieties of innovation.

The flight overseas includes professional as well as low-wage jobs, with engineering jobs offshored to India and China. Thousands of bright Asian engineers are willing to work for a fraction of U.S. wages, which is why Boeing just signed a 10-year, $1 billion-a-year deal with a government-run company in India.

Society has been telling high school students that college is the ticket to get a life, and politicians are pandering to parents' desire for their children to be better educated and so have a higher standard of living.

(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ba; bs; careers; college; degree; highereducation; insignificant; jobs; ma; ms; outsourcing
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To: GinaLolaB
There are hundreds of people chasing one or two job openings.

McDonald's and the Home Depot are always hiring. Pizza delivery is also a good night time gig.

41 posted on 12/29/2007 4:59:54 PM PST by numberonepal (Don't Even Think About Treading On Me)
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To: SeekAndFind

Having a B.S. (that’s Bachelor of Science not Bull S**t) means your resume won’t be tossed in the garbage and you might actually get an interview.


42 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:24 PM PST by Alouette (Vicious Babushka)
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To: SeekAndFind; motoman; mgist; gpapa; roughman; Not gonna take it anymore; GOP Poet; Apparatchik; ...
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43 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:41 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: GinaLolaB

oh please!...there are a good number of things to be upset with GWB over...(immigration, ramos & compean, spending, not firing commies who were clinton appointees when the Bush 1st took office, etc..) but the fact that you can’t personally find a job in accounting isn’t one of them.


44 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:51 PM PST by paltz
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To: GinaLolaB

I have a Master’s in Bus Ad and my Bachelor’s is in accounting. Rather than look for a position in accounting or become a CPA I looked for other jobs. I was probably overqualified but the position I took and stayed with was as a faculty recruiter for a private university. They loved the fact that I had a degree that I actually had to work for. I started there with the Bachelors and they paid for the Masters.
After working there for quite a few years and reading resumes from people with Master’s and even Doctorates I relized that the money is not there for most college graduates. I talked my own daughter and nephew into trade specialties. They make a heckuva lot more money than the college grads around here.
Try looking in other areas, don’t get locked into accounting. Prospective employers may be impressed with your degree. It shows that you were willing to work hard to get it.


45 posted on 12/29/2007 5:00:56 PM PST by sheana
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for later. I’ve got a lot of insight to offer on this topic, but it will take some time to post it.


46 posted on 12/29/2007 5:02:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: SeekAndFind
The public schools are begging for teachers. The New York Post recently had an article on the teacher shortage in the City.

The reason NYC has a teacher shortage is that teachers are in physical danger at many of those public schools. Same thing in the barrio schools in L.A.

47 posted on 12/29/2007 5:06:09 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: SeekAndFind

There is a dirty little secret out in the world, certain big companies are hiring MS or better only. The reason being with grade inflation, a BA is BS. Students have to pass a test to get into grad school, plus they are picky to boot.


48 posted on 12/29/2007 5:07:10 PM PST by razorback-bert (Remember that amateurs built the Ark while professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: GinaLolaB
Are you serious or being sarcastic?
49 posted on 12/29/2007 5:07:29 PM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media.)
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To: GinaLolaB

Move to Richmond, VA. I have heard that there is huge demand for your skills in that area.


50 posted on 12/29/2007 5:08:14 PM PST by rwt60
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To: stuartcr
That’s certainly not true in the tech/engineering world.

Depends. I have interviewed people for software engineering positions who boasted PHDs in Comp Sci yet could not produce code for a simple problem of finding prime numbers!

Used to be you had to have at least a BS in comp sci to get into the field, but during the dot com bubble it opened up to others, and now a lot of folks with Bachelors degrees in other technical fields (math, and even biology in some cases) are well established in the industry.

51 posted on 12/29/2007 5:09:36 PM PST by AndyTheBear (Disastrous social experimentation is the opiate of elitist snobs.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Luckily there’s always law school. Sure, it’s another $100k, but at least I’ll have a decent job lined up when I get out.


52 posted on 12/29/2007 5:10:48 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: surrey
"My son got his MBA from Boston College in May"

Not too shabby. It's a really great program. You're right to be proud.

Not as proud perhaps as you might be had he earned his MBA from say, ahem, Boston University...

Still, I'm sure he'll do fine.

;-)

53 posted on 12/29/2007 5:10:50 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: ladyjane
This what Wikipedia says about RH.

"As of 2007, the institute has been ranked first in its category (engineering colleges whose highest degree offered is a Bachelors's or Master's) by U.S. News & World Report for nine consecutive years (2000-2008). (In both of the most recent years it was tied with Harvey Mudd College.) Each individual program assessed has also been ranked first since the magazine has published individual rankings. These programs are the chemical, civil, computer, electrical, and mechanical engineering programs.[8]

Other publications giving Rose-Hulman high marks include: Newsweek, Fiske, Peterson's, Barron's, and The Princeton Review.[9] While Rose is not considered in the doctoral institution rankings, Stanford University's Hoover Institute fellow, Thomas Sowell, mentioned Rose-Hulman as one of the best smaller universities to consider, noting that graduate engineering deans have ranked its graduates ahead of many top schools with Ph.D programs, such as Duke, Princeton, UCLA, and the University of Pennsylvania. [10] [11]"

54 posted on 12/29/2007 5:12:31 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: SeekAndFind
A degree is only as useful as the skill(s) it represents.

Degrees can be devalued just like anything else. Most people don't benefit from the modern college degree.

They'd have been better off learning a trade. Their time in college is just to further delay adulthood.

55 posted on 12/29/2007 5:12:45 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: stuartcr
That’s certainly not true in the tech/engineering world.

My first thought, too. And, as it happens, we've hired some very sharp young folks into our group in the past couple of years. Sorta gives one hope for the future....

56 posted on 12/29/2007 5:13:17 PM PST by r9etb
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Did he get $$$ to go to Rose Hulman?


57 posted on 12/29/2007 5:13:28 PM PST by SoftballMominVA (Never wrestle with a pig; he wants to get dirty anyway.)
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To: KoRn
"I work in IT, and a college degree for an IT person is nearly useless. As a matter of fact the more educated people have been that Ive worked with over the years, the less ‘smart’ they are about the job."

I saw that happening over a year ago, and my whole family has been studying C++ and Python (those first, just to show off, along with Unix systems stuff) since then. It takes more than a couple of semesters of relevant classes to get there. We'll be available for work in a couple of months (couple more GUI libraries). ...might think about lowering ourselves to play with Java, C#, etc., after that.

And to the clients? "You can't always get what you want...!" ;-)


58 posted on 12/29/2007 5:14:49 PM PST by familyop (Most businesses are whorehouses now.)
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To: KoRn

Too true, all of the best IT people I know just have a love for it.


59 posted on 12/29/2007 5:15:37 PM PST by gura
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To: Chode
science and engineering will ALWAYS be use full.

Useful? Yes. A route to employment able to provide adequate income to support a family? I am not sure.

I have a Ph.D. in Polymer Science and Engineering and have worked the last 25 years in the Research Laboratories of a major corporation undergoing significant transformation. The income from this career supported my family, including putting my two children through college. During this time, I have seen many highly-skilled and motivated friends in my own company and others lose their jobs in downsizing after downsizing. Technician jobs that used to require an Associates degree now require a Bachelors and few are available.

I am concerned that we are committing national suicide by off-shoring almost all our manufacturing capacity. Just wait until the value of our dollar falls and we can't afford to import these goods. What then? Can we rebuild capacity? I don't think the corporate execs who have received huge bonuses realize just how much it will cost to rebuild what they dismantled and in many cases destroyed. Much of the intellectual property required to actually make good product left our companies with those laid-off workers.

60 posted on 12/29/2007 5:15:54 PM PST by RochesterFan
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