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Rudy Giuliani: 2008's toughest Republican
Human Events Online ^ | 12/27/2007 | Deroy Murdock

Posted on 12/28/2007 5:41:37 AM PST by KeithCu

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To: KeithCu

I could go on like this for gays and guns.

Please start with guns. What does Rudy think is the purpose of the second Amendment? And how does his record comport with that?

41 posted on 12/28/2007 7:36:08 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them, I won't chip away at them" -Mitt Romney)
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To: KeithCu

I agree, Rudy has the best chance to win in the general election. As I said before, I’m not a supporter (”None of the above” is still my choice, though Fred is winning me over a bit, mostly because I don’t find him as loathsome as most of the candidates), but if Rudy wins the nomination he’ll have my support 100% against that Witch. Voting third-party on principle might make you feel good, but it’ll insure 4/8 years of the Clintons back in power and, to me, that’s the worst case scenario.

42 posted on 12/28/2007 7:36:51 AM PST by Pravious
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To: alicewonders

I disagree with a number of points:

* I am unmarried, but my parents are on their second marriage. They met each other before they divorced their current spouses. Isn’t that somewhat common? The police protected Judith because there were threats. You don’t put mob bosses away without personal risk.

* It is true that Bernard Kerik has issues with his taxes, etc. but this has been blown out of proportion by the media who look for ways to demoralize Republicans. (Clinton had 100x as many bad people who went to jail, left the country, etc.) Kerik accomplished a lot for NY, unlike the Clinton cronies. Sure, Rudy says he was a mistake, but when you appoint 100 people, you are bound to make a mistake or 2.

* Rudy talks about how he gained foreign policy experience as US attorney (dealing with foreign gov’ts in certain situations), as mayor, and in 90 foreign trips after he left office where he met heads of state or other high ranking officials. The only GOP candidate with more foreign policy experience is McCain - is he your choice?

43 posted on 12/28/2007 7:42:53 AM PST by KeithCu
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To: Antoninus
Great post.

Rudy Giuliani is an effeminate, lisping, limp-wristed lawyer from New York City who probably doesn't even know how to make a fist . . . but he's a "tough guy" on the political scene. Good lord -- what does that say about the so-called "men" who go into national politics these days?

Benazir Bhutto was more masculine than he'll ever be.

44 posted on 12/28/2007 7:49:43 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Liz

Liz, just curious: are you a Republican? Your perspective and tone sound similar to dailykos! (Well, i don’t read dailykos, but I do read Dummiefunnies!) If you are against the Iraq war, against the idea that the US often has to take responsibility for defending liberty, are not aware that Bush flipped Pakistan which used to support the Taliban, etc. then it makes me wonder.

Your anger and blame America first attitude is much more in line with the Democratic party. Reagan believed strongly in spreading freedom as a means to peace. What do you think of Reagan?

45 posted on 12/28/2007 7:56:57 AM PST by KeithCu
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To: Alberta's Child

If the dialog on this website has degraded to the point that people don’t understand America’s responsibility in spreading freedom, and filled with snarky allegations that Rudy has a lisp, is effeminate and limp-wristed, then we are little better than dailykos.

BTW, Rudy’s father was a boxer, so I doubt he is as effeminate as you claim.

46 posted on 12/28/2007 8:11:35 AM PST by KeithCu
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To: Liz

Murdock makes it sound like Rudy was travelling in a plane with the common folk, sitting next to a stranger. Where was Judi (who always demanded an extra seat for her Louis Vuitton handbag)? And didn’t Rudy’s standard contract in 2005 require that he be shuttled around in a private jet (”a Gulfstream IV or bigger)? This is the guy that turns the plane around when he gets a headache, yet we’re supposed to believe he’s some real-life action hero? Deroy really needs to wear a bib to catch all of that drooling.

47 posted on 12/28/2007 8:12:28 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: KeithCu

When it comes to foreign policy - McCain is the most qualified, that is true. BUT, he has done so much damage to the party that the only way I would ever vote for him, would be if it were between him or Hillary.

I support Fred Thompson, he has more foreign policy experience than Rudy - but that is only a part of the equation. I agree with him most of the time. I disagree with Rudy on most things - so he is not the candidate I want.

This is the way I see it. Hillary would LOVE it if she could run against Rudy - because Rudy couldn’t bring up any dirt on her - she would just bring up dirt on him. Rudy’s baggage cancels Hillary’s baggage, making him the WORST candidate we could nominate. I don’t want to be a Republican because “we’re not as bad as those other guys”. I want to be a Republican because we are better than those other guys.

We must stop downgrading the quality of candidate we choose with each passing election! We have to stop & start upgrading - or we will find ourselves in the same muddy pigsty as they are in.

Rudy’s just not our guy.

48 posted on 12/28/2007 8:19:52 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: Liz; calcowgirl

Ummm, yah

49 posted on 12/28/2007 8:24:41 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: rhombus


It was “My Date with a Goat”.

50 posted on 12/28/2007 8:26:21 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: alicewonders

Which of these 12 commetments by Rudy do you disagree with?

* I will keep America on offense in the Terrorists’ War on Us.
* I will end illegal immigration, secure our borders, and identify every non-citizen in our nation.
* I will restore fiscal discipline and cut wasteful Washington spending.
* I will cut taxes and reform the tax code.
* I will impose accountability on Washington.
* I will lead America towards energy independence.
* I will give Americans more control over and access to health care with affordable and portable free-market solutions.
* I will increase adoptions, decrease abortions, and protect the quality of life for our children.
* I will reform the legal system and appoint strict constructionist judges.
* I will ensure that every community in America is prepared for terrorist attacks and natural disasters.
* I will provide access to a quality education to every child in America by giving real school choice to parents.
* I will expand America’s involvement in the global economy and strengthen our reputation around the world.

BTW, Rudy’s baggage is 1/100th of Hillary’s baggage. It is just that the mainstream media exaggerate it 100x. Did you watch Rudy’s interview on Meet the Press? He swatted away fat Timmy’s ‘tough’ questions.

51 posted on 12/28/2007 8:26:50 AM PST by KeithCu
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To: Liz


52 posted on 12/28/2007 8:27:06 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: Night Hides Not
Does this qualify me as a "tough Republican"?

No, it qualifies you as a father with a son who's about 18 years old now.

53 posted on 12/28/2007 8:29:18 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: KeithCu

>>>There seems to be as much contempt for Rudy as Hillary on FreeRepublic.

My guess is you missed the GiulianiTruthFile keyword category started by Jim Robinson, owner of FR, and hotlinked at the top of the forum?

Keyword category:
The Rudy Giuliani Truth File in his own words and deeds

Major Bump!

54 posted on 12/28/2007 8:30:53 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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To: KeithCu

Yes, I did watch Rudy on Meet the Press, I thought he stammered and stuttered his way all through it & came off badly, in my view.

As far as the 12 comments - gosh, I learned a long time ago that a politician can sound REAL good and will say anything on the campaign trail to get elected.

How about when he said his marriage vows (so far, 3 different times)? For better or for worse? In sickness & in health? For as long as you both may live?

Why should I believe any of those 12 comments if his wives couldn’t believe the ones he uttered at their wedding? So what, if multiple marriages and public adultery happens all the time - it shows a lot about a person’s character to me - and shows me that Rudy doesn’t have the character to be our President.

55 posted on 12/28/2007 8:35:13 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: savedbygrace
No, it qualifies you as a father with a son who's about 18 years old now.

Yep, and he's still driving me crazy! LOL!

When I think of "Tough Republican", I think of Fred Thompson...but I'm a Fredhead.

56 posted on 12/28/2007 8:39:11 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Chuck Hagel makes Joe Biden look like a statesman!)
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To: TexasCajun

“You mean Rudy didn’t take over the plane and rescue everyone?

“In this critical emergency, he just sat on his butt reading?

“What kind of leadership is that?”

It’s the kind of leadership that doesn’t micro-manage and that lets those with expertise in a given area do what they do best. In this case, the pilot. That IS leadership, regardless of your opinion otherwise of Giuliani.

57 posted on 12/28/2007 8:40:59 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Calpernia

I have checked out some of the articles on the Giuliani Truth file.

When you subtract out the personal issues, the New York Times and other half-true MSM articles, that mayor of NYC is different from prez (for example, control of the border is the responsibility of the federal gov’t), put some of the criticisms in context, etc. the collection is a lot less convincing than it might seem.

58 posted on 12/28/2007 8:41:56 AM PST by KeithCu
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You know, I’m not bragging, but if I were in the same situation as of that described on the plane with Rudy - I would have done exactly the same thing!

What good would it have done to get up and in the crew’s way? What good would it have done to get the other passengers upset? What good could I have done to help the situation? I’m glad to hear that Rudy didn’t scream like a little crybaby, but I wouldn’t have either.

I guess that means that I have the leadership to be President too, right?

59 posted on 12/28/2007 8:44:56 AM PST by alicewonders
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To: Jane Austen
>>>Though he did have the nerve to march proudly in the gay parades.

Oh really?

From StonewallVets

New York City Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg ("MRB") follows in the longtime tradition of Mayors Ed Koch and Rudy Giuliani in being the semi-regular guest of the STONEWALL Veterans' Associaton ("S.V.A.") in leading the annual New York City Gay Pride Parade in Manhattan. Interestingly, Mayor Michael -- at Mayor Rudy's urging -- first marched with the S.V.A. in historic 2001 when he was mayoral candidate Bloomberg.

60 posted on 12/28/2007 8:47:20 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity
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