Posted on 12/23/2007 8:07:55 AM PST by pjsbro
On March 4, 2007, at the 42nd Anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama, Mrs. Clinton recounted how as a young girl she had the great privilege of hearing Dr. Martin Luther King speak in Chicago: “ The year was 1963”, Clinton said in her speech. “My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King.
At Selma, Hillary said she had seen MLK in 1963, so she would have been 15 or 16 at that time. But authors Don Van Natta, Jr. and Jeff Gerth, (“Her Way”, 2007) seem to think that Hillary was then 17, which would have put her at a King speech in late 1964 or 1965. A Washington Post article a few weeks ago had Hillary at an MLK speech “on a Sunday night in 1962”. Carl Bernstein, the former WaPo writer in his book “A Woman In Charge”, says Hillary saw King in the the fall of 1961 (Hillary would have been 14 at that time). And the Boston Globe also recently had Clinton with King in the spring 1962.
So when was it? Was Hillary at King’s speech on that “cold night in January” 1963, or the spring of 1962. Was it 1965 or the fall of 1961?
Why can’t these “journalists” get their facts straight? Don’t they read each others accounts? Why hasn’t the media looked into these details, which are strikingly different in each account?
Bet she remembers that.
“Hillary’s Choice” by Gail Sheehy (10/1999) Excerpted in Chicago Sun-Times-Dec 10, 1999-According to Sheehy, in January 1963 Hillary was taken to see MLK at Orchestra Hall in Chicago. Hillary was 15 at the time. Reverend Jones did not ask permission from the parents of the 20 children he shepherded. “His [King’s] message was entitled “Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution.” (It was one of the earliest versions of the speech by the same name delivered by Dr. King at the National Cathedral in Washington four days before his assassination on April 4,
1968.) His basso profundo voice building,
“A WOMAN IN CHARGE: The Life of Hillary Rodham CLinton” June 5, 2007-According to Bernstein, Jones was assigned to Hillary’s church during the summer of 1961. “That fall, when MLK jr again came to preach in Chicago, Jones took Hillary and other members of his youth group to Orchestra Hall to hear him.
Bernstein: some parents had refused to let their children go, but Dorothy had granted Hillary permission. After the program, Jones took his awed students backstage to meet Dr. King. King’s sermon, “Sleeping Through the Revolution”.
“HER WAY: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton” by Jeff Gerth and Don Van NAtt 2007): in the fall of 1961, another change in administration would further challenge Hillary’s beliefs.
A twenty-six-year-old Methodist youth minister named Donald
Jones arrived at First Methodist Church in Park Ridge. Jones was tall, had a blond crew cut, and drove a 1959 fire-engine
red Impala convertible. More than a few young girls had crushes on him. Most notably, every Sunday and Thursday evening, beginning that September, Reverend Jones taught his University of Life program, which included a heavy helping of radical politics, poetry, art history, and countercultural thought.
Van Natta, Jr.:When Hillary was seventeen, [That would be 1n October 1964] Jones announced that he was going
to take the group to hear King speak at Chicago’s Orchestra Hall.Hillary was thrilled, though some of her friends’ parents refused permission for their children to listen to the “rabble-rouser.” More than one thousand people were there, and Hillary was enchanted with King and his speech, which was entitled “Remaining Awake through a Revolution.” After the speech, Jones escorted Hillary and her friends to meet King.
Sally Jenkins, WAPO article Dec 9, 2007, “Growing Up Rodham”: a day in 1961 when Don Jones blew into town, in a red Chevy Impala convertible. The new youth minister at the First United Methodist Church wore white
bucks and played the guitar. Jones arranged discussions with disadvantaged children in Chicago and took his youth group to hear Martin Luther King Jr. speak at Orchestra Hall on a Sunday night in 1962. King’s address was “Sleeping Through the Revolution,” and in his vibrato he decried suburbanites who passed the poor by. Jones introduced the children to King personally, and Hillary was so affected that she volunteered to babysit for the children of migrant workers during harvest.
Chicago Sun-Times Blog (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/clintons_selma_speech_text.html) HRC’s Selma Speech, Sunday, March 4, 2007: The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King.
He titled the sermon he gave that night “Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution.”
Boston Globe, 10.21-2007-Marcella Bombardieri Globe Staff: Page A1: Clinton has said she knew almost nothing about Martin Luther King Jr. until Jones brought a
group from the church to hear King speak at Chicago’s Orchestra Hall in spring 1962.
Washington Post-03-10-1992/Style page E1-Lloyd Grove, Washington Post Staff Writer Hillary’s mother, Dorothy Rodham, attributes her liberal-Democrat identity, athwart the rock-ribbed Goldwater Republicanism of Hillary’s businessman-father Hugh, to her experiences at the local Methodist church, working with the underprivileged in Chicago’s inner city and caring for the children of Mexican migrant workers in rural Illinois. “I know that was very meaningful to her. It kind of opened her eyes,” said the Rev. Don Jones, an ethics professor at New Jersey’s Drew University who was the youth minister of Hillary’s church. “I remember that when she was 16, I took the whole youth group to Chicago to hear this famous preacher one Sunday night in Orchestra Hall. Afterward, we all went up and I introduced her to Martin Luther King Jr.”
Washington Post, January 11, 1993, The Education of Hillary Clinton, Martha Sherill, Washington Post Staff Writer, Style, Page B1: “Donald Jones arrived in Park Ridge when Hillary was in ninth grade. He was 30 years old...Under Jones’s tutelage, there were lake camp retreats with swimming, winter retreats with
skiing — but he also took “The University of Life” to the South Side of Chicago to meet street kids, gang kids, blacks, Hispanics at a youth center there, actually leading them all in a successful discussion of “Guernica.” And in 1962, he took them into the city again, to Chicago’s “Sunday Evening Club,” to hear the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. speak. “Hillary still talks about it, remembers it vividly,” says Jones. “She says that afterward, I took everybody backstage to meet Reverend King. Now, I can’t say that I recall this precisely, but she says that I introduced King to each of the kids, one by one.”
Better question, why would I care.
I could care less if she saw him 40yrs ago.
Will not tell me abything i do not know about her already.
I know Hillary lies when ever she speaks, it is all I need to know.
On the other hand it looks like neither one of them can remember anything correctly so someone might ask if they aren’t both showing the first signs of Alzheimer's disease.
Do you recall anything about Romney saying he saw his father march with Dr. King?
Not only did HRC hear Dr. King speak, she was introduced to him by after the program by her youth minister.
Good idea to check out Hillary’s truthfulness, but would she lie to us? :)
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THAT Martin wasn't even a gleam in his father's eye yet!
The way I heard it Edmund Hillery took him to watch his dad and King march thru burning black churches in Arkansas while cheering for his life-long favorite team, the New York Yankees.
Some of these people need to get serious.
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Thanks Bill. Done
Saw him! She and George Romney MARCHED with him!
And Mitt watched!
The point I was making is that she just meeting someone famous, is in in of itself irrelvant to whether she can be good pres. I know she cannot, because she lacks moral compass.
How do I know she islacking??
Easy she lies when she has no need.
An introduction the pastor himself doesn't remember: "Now, I can’t say that I recall this precisely, but she says that I introduced King to each of the kids, one by one.”
BTW, good cites in your post 22.
In 1966 King moved into a 'slum' apartment on the West Side. That summer is also when he led some marches into White neighborhoods for 'open housing'.
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