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Britain has become a 'Catholic country'
Telegraph.co.uk ^ | 12/23/07 | Jonathan Wynne-Jones

Posted on 12/22/2007 7:56:40 PM PST by melt

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To: CarolNTN

Yeah, I kind of suspect he doesn’t read full stop.


81 posted on 12/22/2007 11:50:01 PM PST by Androcles (All your typos are belong to us)
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To: bagadonutz
Next time you are reading the Holy Bible, thank the Lord for the Church.

Seems to me all of the books of the Bible were written before The Church existed.

82 posted on 12/23/2007 12:13:10 AM PST by Soliton (Vote "next")
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To: melt
Europe should barely be considered Christian today. There are just a bunch of agnostics walking around who believe that they were born into a religion and a culture.

And here's an article by the BBC's idiotic correspondent in the United States who is in charge of the United States blog: here. The man is a figurative moron, but has the gall to inaccurately report to an audience largely unknowledgeable about Christianity much less evangelical Christianity. The dimwit is infuriating not least because he is spreading his ignorance to others.

83 posted on 12/23/2007 12:30:52 AM PST by Jedi Master Pikachu ( What is your take on Acts 15:20 (abstaining from blood) about eating meat? Could you freepmail?)
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To: melt
"...Married teachers have obviously preyed upon children..."

It's time that lawsuits targeted the "deep pockets" of teachers instead of the Church.

Let's see...whose "deep pockets" would the lawyers be into then?

84 posted on 12/23/2007 2:11:05 AM PST by Does so (...against all enemies, DOMESTIC and foreign...)
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To: doc1019
"As an evangelical, I don’t hate Catholics … I just think they are wrong in their theology and pray for them daily."

IMHO - You have way too much time on your hands. Might I suggest visiting people in nursing homes or something similarly useful.

85 posted on 12/23/2007 2:16:56 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet (There's Always Something.............And there's always something worse!)
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To: davisfh
Sadly though, they will go to their graves arguing those "points of little relevance."

The sole survivor of a shipwreck was stranded on a desert island. When rescuers arrived months later, they were stunned to discover that he had built a small house, complete with windows with shutters to keep out the rain. He'd built an aqueduct to bring running water right to his door and a privvy a little ways away.

One of the rescuers asked the man about a small structure down near the beach. "Oh, that's my church," he said.

And the nearly identical structure next to it? "That's the church I don't go to."

86 posted on 12/23/2007 2:26:14 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Peelod
>>>As an evangelical, I don’t hate Catholics

Am I supposed to be grateful for your tolerance?

Are you offended because someone is offering up prayers for you that you don't think you need?

If only that were the worst form of sectarian dispute.

87 posted on 12/23/2007 2:28:53 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: sageb1
It isn’t a Catholic problem. It is a societal problem. Priests, or any clergy who have molested are held up by the media because they are expected to be above sin. Please take your Catholic bashing elsewhere.

What makes the Roman Catholic Church stand out is that it is a single worldwide hierarchy. That it had a decades-long policy of handling molesting priests through its own internal process rather than reporting them to the civil authorities. That for a long time it treated molestation by priests as a sin problem rather than a criminal justice problem. That it had the means to reassign priests to another parish without fanfare.

These are no longer the policies of the Church, and the political realities that led the Church to try its own -- that is, to insist that clergy be tried by the Church rather than by the civil authority -- are long gone. But when you mention molestation by clergy members of other denominations, you're talking about (in most cases) a diffuse body of churches. When you talk about school teachers, you're talking about thousands of school administrators and school boards. The RCC stands alone as a body with an authoritative hierarchy that had a flawed policy that encompasses hundreds of cases.

I think another factor is that a lot of Protestants find the notion of a celibate priesthood odd. My personal hypothesis is that a lot of folks who have sexual urges they consider sinful -- whether it's homosexuality, pedophilia, or in some cases simple heterosexual lust -- look to the oath of chastity as a means to control and sublimate their desires.

Priestly celibacy does not cause sexual deviancy any more than 12-step programs cause addiction. Both attract people who are trying to escape something. And in both those populations, some will fail.

88 posted on 12/23/2007 2:56:47 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: elcid1970
Our own Saint Patrick once chased all the serpents from the British Isles and he can do so once again now can’t he, lads?

Is there a way I can support that effort by consuming Bushmill's and Guinness on March 17?

Yeah, I already know the answer is no. But I dare to hope.

89 posted on 12/23/2007 2:59:44 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: unspun

An excellent point. Catholic teaching on birth control has long been ignored by both the people, and the heirarchy that is supposed to teach and preach it. Just about the only good decision that Paul VI, who presided over the disaster of Vatican II, ever made was that of reaffirming traditional Catholic teaching on artificial birth control. The problem was that the modernist heirarchy and clergy defied him and just let Humanae Vitae fall like a stone. Catholics haven’t been taught the sinfulness of artificial birth control for 40 years now.

If Catholics hadn’t taken to practicing birth control, Britain would have been Catholic a long time ago, and Islam would be nowhere near the threat it is now. I think things are coming back, though: after years of seeing one or two-child families in the pews, I’m seeing young conservative Catholic families with 4 or 5 children. So maybe Paul VI’s one good act will have some effect after all.


90 posted on 12/23/2007 3:17:51 AM PST by livius
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To: melt; Revolting cat!
MMMmmmmmm....Catholic girls BUMP!

Most Catholics I've met are non-denominational but devote Christians. We're long past the quibbles that made relations between other Christian sects difficult or impossible. I think the more mature amongst us have started seeing the situation as "United we stand..."

At least I hope so.


91 posted on 12/23/2007 3:24:01 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: AlaskaErik
Soon the muslims will outnumber both groups combined when it comes to religious services.

Britain: 3% Muslim

America: 3% Muslim

92 posted on 12/23/2007 3:37:06 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: melt

3% of Britain’s population fanatically call their sons “Muhammed”.

97% of Britain’s population give their sons an enormous range of names. Because they’re not fanatics.

“Muhammed” only gets the top spot because of the intellectual sterility of Muslim culture.


93 posted on 12/23/2007 3:40:35 AM PST by agere_contra (Do not confuse the wealth of nations with the wealth of government - FDT)
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To: melt

What can the Church of England do to win back worshippers? This means that the established Church has lost its place as the nation’s most popular Christian denomination after more than four centuries of unrivalled influence following the Reformation.================================================================================================================================================================================================================================

Do what they did in France in the 1860’s Close all the Catholics Churches and Ban Priest and Nuns they did the same in Mexico the Beginning of the 20th century!!... cest la vie...


94 posted on 12/23/2007 3:41:09 AM PST by philly-d-kidder ( sOUTH OF iRAQ eAST oF sAUIDI wEST OF iRAN AND nORTH OF dUBAI...kuwait)
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To: melt

Will the current Prince of Wales become the next “Bonnie Prince Charlie” and return the Stuarts to the throne?

Jacobites rule!


95 posted on 12/23/2007 3:45:52 AM PST by PurpleMan
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To: ReignOfError
Re 86 - 89;
I clearly don't speak for the rest of the audience.
But I appreciate your presence during an otherwise embarrassing exchange.

PS: to all, don't plead for my damnation tomorrow, but it is absurd to heap nasties on others simply because their path to salvation is one lane over from yours! The gap between Christianity and islam is far more dangerous than any gap between various interpretations of Judaic / Christian dogma.

PPS: For me, God is in the ten commandments and those don't vary between sects, orders, or other forms of human interpretation.

96 posted on 12/23/2007 4:02:13 AM PST by norton (deep down inside you know that Fred is your second choice)
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To: Revolting cat!
Come all you Catholic haters, this is your third chance in two days to flame Rome!

I think they're all still busy on the Mormon threads. ;-)

97 posted on 12/23/2007 4:07:11 AM PST by uglybiker
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To: norton

We always judge our friends more harshly than our enemies — we expect the worst from the latter, and the best from the former. My recollection is that we’re commanded to remove the beam from our own eye before removing the mote from another’s.


98 posted on 12/23/2007 4:10:55 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Revolting cat!
Come all you Catholic haters, this is your third chance in two days to flame Rome!

Okay...God does not say that in the last days there will be a revival to his one and only religion...He says there will be a great falling away from his church and they will become apostate...

Looks like many in His church are getting tripped up and fallin' on your side of Tiber creek...

99 posted on 12/23/2007 4:40:23 AM PST by Iscool
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To: bagadonutz
Next time you are reading the Holy Bible, thank the Lord for the Church. Without the Church, there would be no written bible. The Holy Scripture is God's gift to the Church.

Without the scripture, there would be no church...

Oh, I don't mean your Church...Your church has always been there...At least since the days of Nimrod...

100 posted on 12/23/2007 4:52:35 AM PST by Iscool
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