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Man wants his $400K back from the FBI
LimaOhio.com ^ | 12/18/07 | Greg Sowinski

Posted on 12/21/2007 12:14:30 AM PST by LibWhacker

LIMA — Two robbers who broke into Luther Ricks Sr.’s house this summer may have not gotten his life savings he had in a safe, but after the FBI confiscated it he may not get it back.

Ricks has tried to get an attorney to fight for the $402,767 but he has no money. Lima Police Department officers originally took the money from his house but the FBI stepped in and took it from the Police Department. Ricks has not been charged with a crime and was cleared in a fatal shooting of one of the robbers but still the FBI has refused to return the money, he said.

“They are saying I have to prove I made it,” he said.

The 63-year-old Ricks said he and his wife, Meredith, saved the money during their lifetime in which both worked while living a modest life.

A representative of the FBI could not be reached for comment.

During the fatal shooting incident inside the house June 30, Ricks and his son were being attacked by two men and his son was stabbed. Ricks broke free, grabbed a gun and shot to death 32-year-old Jyhno Rock inside his home at 939 Greenlawn Ave.

Police originally took the money after finding marijuana inside Ricks’ home, which Ricks said he had to help manage pain.

“I smoke marijuana. I have arthritis. I have shingles, a hip replacement,” he said.

Ricks, who is retired from Ohio Steel Foundry, said he always had a safe at home and never had a bank account.

American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio Legal Director Jeff Gamso said Ricks has a tough road ahead, not impossible, but tough to get back his money.

“The law of forfeiture basically says you have to prove you’re innocent. It’s terrible, terrible law,” he said.

The law is tilted in favor of the FBI in that Ricks need not be charged with a crime and the FBI stands a good chance at keeping the money, Gamso said.

“The law will presume it is the result of ill-gotten gains,” he said.

Still Ricks can pursue it and possibly convince a judge he had the money through a lifetime of savings. Asking the FBI usually doesn’t work, he said.

“The FBI, before they would give it up, would want dated receipts,” he said.

If the FBI does keep the money, it would be put toward a law enforcement use, if the city of Lima does not fight for it because the city discovered it, Gamso said.

Lima Law Director Tony Geiger said he has not been asked to stake a legal claim for the money.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: 400k; asset; banglist; cash; constitution; donutwatch; fbi; forfeiture; highwayrobbery; marijuana; policestate; seizure; thugwithabadge; unconstitutional; wod; wodlist
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To: LibWhacker

Any law enforcement agency can confiscate any currency from anyone if there is any reason to stop that person for anything or to search his person or domicile. They only have to see it. They don’t even bother with rationalizations anymore.


81 posted on 12/21/2007 5:25:09 AM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
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To: Cementjungle
Is there a law that says you can’t have X amount of money in cash

Yes.......

82 posted on 12/21/2007 5:25:28 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Does so
Usually, police don't search a victim's house—much less a safe's contents.

But given the ability to steal whatever you find, wouldn't searching the victim's house now become standard procedure. Seizure funds don't go to charity, or to a general fund - the seizing department gets to keep it to use for whatever it wants. That's why cops in Podunk can play dress-up with paramilitary regalia and better armor than we can send to Afghanistan.

83 posted on 12/21/2007 5:26:17 AM PST by BlazingArizona
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To: Welsh Rabbit
...but I’m baffled that anyone would do that.

Many people are like that, especially older folks. They do not trust banks, savings and loans, etc. My father-in-law is like that. He keeps money hidden in strange places. They lived thru a time that saw many banks fail and investments plunge and people lose their money. They aren't interested in interest...........

84 posted on 12/21/2007 5:29:43 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Red Badger

And...what law would that be?


85 posted on 12/21/2007 5:29:54 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion.)
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To: wrench
On the sketchy evidence presented in the article, I am seeing a preponderance of evidence that he was dealing.

Something is wrong when "sketchy" becomes "preponderance".

86 posted on 12/21/2007 5:31:34 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: DB
Banks have to report transactions of $10,000 or more (it could be less now). Individuals don’t.

I think it's $2k now.......

87 posted on 12/21/2007 5:32:04 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Puddleglum
See how that works?

The sad thing is that there are too many here at FR that see how it works...and like it.

And, this is a conservative site.

88 posted on 12/21/2007 5:33:11 AM PST by TankerKC (You don't have to believe everything you think.)
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To: goldstategop

He looks like FRed Sanford.........

89 posted on 12/21/2007 5:33:30 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Does so
He should have kept the marijuana in his safe, and the cash in the freezer, where it would be returned, like Congressman William Jefferson, Democrat, Louisiana.

LOL!

90 posted on 12/21/2007 5:35:38 AM PST by TankerKC (You don't have to believe everything you think.)
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To: PubliusMM

I can’t state Title and paragraph, but I know it exists. It has been used many times before. This is not the first incident like this. As far as I can recall, nobody ever gets their money back, ever. I’m sure the local constabulary can cite chapter and verse..........


91 posted on 12/21/2007 5:36:01 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: LibWhacker

And the fun part is that the government will use our tax money, which they did not earn, to defend their improper confiscation of this man’s money, which they did not earn.


92 posted on 12/21/2007 5:36:17 AM PST by Teacher317 (Eta kuram na smekh)
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To: kingu
Why wasn't he charged with anything? If you're so sure that he gained this cash from his illicit activity, why did they just take his money? The police who originally confiscated it didn't file charges or even arrest him, so there must not have been evidence of that criminal activity. But, the point of these laws is not about proof of the guilt of the owner, but that the money itself is guilty and property has no presumption of innocence, hence "Civil Asset Forfeiture".

I'm just glad the local police didn't get to spend it on SWAT gear or cars. I'll bet they were pissed when the feds swooped in like a hawk and stole their free meal!

93 posted on 12/21/2007 5:44:30 AM PST by Squeako (Clothespin Republicans: holding our noses for bad candidates since 1988.)
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To: LibWhacker
The law is tilted in favor of the FBI in that Ricks need not be charged with a crime and the FBI stands a good chance at keeping the money, Gamso said.

If the government doesn't take most of your money through taxes, they can take what is left just because they feel like it.

If that happened to me, I'd probably go "postal", big time.

94 posted on 12/21/2007 5:49:14 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: endthematrix

bttt


95 posted on 12/21/2007 5:52:13 AM PST by Chuck54 (“Build a man a fire, warm him for a night. Set a man on fire, warm him for life.” HT/Archon)
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To: kingu
There's still that lingering question - why did two guys from Tennessee come driving into Ohio to rob a house that just happened to have marijuana and 400k in cash in it?

Coincidence, the man or a family member told the wrong person about the money in his safe, etc.

Let the government use the thieves' statements to prove the confiscated money was a result of criminal activity, instead of forcing the man to prove a negative.

96 posted on 12/21/2007 5:52:52 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: LibWhacker

“They are saying I have to prove I made it,”

Guilty until proven innocent.


97 posted on 12/21/2007 5:58:18 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: goldstategop

“Apparently, its a crime to keep a large sum of money in your home even when you haven’t done anything wrong.”

He had drugs.


98 posted on 12/21/2007 5:58:50 AM PST by fungoking
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To: mkjessup

Assault an FBI (or any LE) Office? Are you smoking the weedy stuff too?

Fruit loops attack where there is a low probability of resistance,or haven’t you really thought about it?

I intially would think that controlled substances+cash= trafficking, maybe it’s just me....

The concept that these folks never had a bank acount is rather un believeable-most employers for the last 25 years or so require direct deposit, yes?


99 posted on 12/21/2007 6:00:05 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US Army, Retired)
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To: LibWhacker
Where are all of the law and order “If you have nothing to hide, why worry...” FReepers?
100 posted on 12/21/2007 6:01:32 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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