Posted on 12/18/2007 7:41:42 AM PST by mnehring
YouTube video via Drudge- Ron Paul quote this morning on Fox and Friends- "When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. "
With 'likely' Republican voters. Those would be the same folks that voted in 2004 and 2006. Many conservatives (like myself) dropped out right before or after 2000 having given up on the entire mess.
LOL, Puerto Rico can't even be admitted to the union and they've tried several times. You honestly believe the majority of the citizens of the respective states would elect representation to admit a state into the union halfway around the world in a war zone?!?
You're either with us or against us.
On what? Limited government? Economic freedom?
ROTFLMAO!!!!
No, I was pointing out that you claim to be posting facts, yet all they are are theories and hunches. That's not an insult, and pretending to be the victim is shameful.
I was just pointing out that the arguments of anti-Ron Paul types get nuttier and nuttier as you deconstruct them and push their proponents further back against the wall. Your sudden claim to see "insults" in everything, pretending to be the victim and trying to end the discussion by claiming the other side is "embarassing" itself proves me right.
Again, you are absolutely insistent that Ron Paul's money is coming from liberals, despite the lack of evidence to back that up. I point to actual evidence of where it's coming from, specifically tracking maps showing it's mostly red states, and ask you why you still claim it's from liberals. There's no "insult" there, just a request for an explanation.
I can buy the "none of this has anything do with the truth" part easily enough.
Agreed. If congress feels the need to declare "war" or "the use of force" is needed and the President decides to exercise that option, their territory belongs to us when conquered.
Welcome to the union, via conquest or of their governments volition.
FDR had a Communist vice President, Wallace, so FDR was pretty unconcerned with them personally.
Actually, John Nance Garner was Vice President for FDR's first two terms. Henry Wallace was VP from 1941 to 1945, AFTER the New Deal was enacted.
Also most Neocons come from this ideological background as well.
According to the Paulistinians, that applies to any Republican but the Paulistinians.
According to the antiPaulistinians, there's no such thing as a neo-con.
Or they're on their own against the other forces that may be allied against them.
Do you feel that admitting new states to our union is such a terrible thing?
Would joining or republic be that awful?
No you're free to do so. Good luck with that though. Don't think you're going to get a lot of people to agree with you once it's explained just exactly what that would mean.
Would joining our republic be that awful?
Oh noooooooo! A typo!!!
Really? Perhaps you could explain "what that would mean" and why it would be so bad.
And the architects of the New Deal admired Benito Mussolini and the prosperity his government-run economy seemed to offer...
...which brings us back to Paul's original point. When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross, because they know they are emotional icons that, when brought up, generate knee-jerk reactions that stamp out rational skepticism. Anyone questioning the person hiding creeping fascism behind a fluttering Flag and shining Cross will be vilified as a "treasonous" and "jihadist."
And one only needs to read the posts here to see how right that is. If a self-proclaimed "man of God" told most FReepers we need centralized economic planning to keep the gays and terrorists at bay, they'd reflexively leap on board without stopping to think.
Whatever you say about Paul, he is anything but a fascist.
Well besides it being even more reminiscent of the British Empire (sun never sets eh?) then we already have, you've just added 5,000,000+ people to the tax base, to the Social Security system, etc. Then you're going to have to convince them to follow our form of government and our laws. LOL, that ought to be fun. Not to mention the fact territorial disputes, etc. Our Armed Forces would literally be stationed there year round in defense, you'd have at least two whole fleets in the Med region just for that alone. How do you think the Russians, Chinese, et. al. are going to feel about that?
I'm just scratching the surface here. It simply would never work no matter how you feel about it. Unless you've forgotten Republicans are supposed to stand for limited government and your one move would at least double (if not triple) the size of government and the bureaucracy we currently have
The Groton influence of Endicott Peabody showed in a speech Roosevelt gave at the People's Forum in Troy, NY in 1912. There he declared that western Europeans and Americans had achieved victory in the struggle for "the liberty of the individual," and that the new agenda should be a "struggle for the liberty of the community." The wrong ethos for a new age was, "every man does as he sees fit, even with a due regard to law and order." The new order should be, "march on with civilization in a way satisfactory to the well-being of the great majority of us."
In that speech Roosevelt outlined the philosophical base of what would eventually become the New Deal. He also forecast the rhetorical mode by which "community" could loom over individual liberty. "If we call the method regulation, people hold up their hands in horror and say ‘un-American,' or ‘dangerous,'" Roosevelt pointed out. "But if we call the same identical process co-operation, these same old fogeys will cry out ‘well done'.... cooperation is as good a word for the new theory as any other."
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A "Diversity in the Workplace" training manual.
Hank
But they're dumb enough to donate to someone who's believes in the exact opposite they do. If George Soros offered me a million bucks, Hell yeah I'm taking it!
You criticize my comprehension yet you paint in your own words a man who's in it for the money.
How can Paul be in it for the money? He refused his Congressional pension, for crying out loud. Dude c'mon now!
You know those polls don't include his name, and they're polling the same deteriorating GOP base that voted in 2004, right?
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