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[Ron] Paul Not Opposed To Same-Sex Marriage
The Bulletin ^ | 12/14/2007 | Joe Murray

Posted on 12/18/2007 5:29:12 AM PST by Sopater

Keeping true to his strict federalist view, GOP presidential hopeful Ron Paul told ABC's John Stossel gays should be allowed to marry.

"They can do whatever they want and they can call it whatever they want; just so they don't expect to impose their relationship on someone else," Dr. Paul stated.

The Texas Congressman added, "I would like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it is a state function; it is a religious function. There was a time when only churches dealt with marriage and they determined what it was. But 100 years or so ago, for health reasons, they claimed the state would protect us if we new more about our spouses and did health tests and had to get a license to get marriage. I don't agree with that."

Keyes Makes Rare Debate Appearance

While he has been systematically excluded from all of the mainstream presidential debates, Alan Keyes, the former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations and conservative firebrand, was back in business during Wednesday's GOP Iowa debate. Mr. Keyes used the platform to discuss key moral issues, especially abortion.

"I would restore their moral sovereignty - it's something I think I can do very simply as president by declaring that no action taken by the executive branch would support, aid or abet anyone who is destroying the constitutional rights of those who are in the womb," stated Mr. Keyes.

The fiery orator further stated Rudy Giuliani would "abandon the heritage of the Republican Party" and he could not support the former New York City mayor if he became the party's nominee.

Thompson Applauds Florida Marriage Amendment

In light of the report that petitions favoring the Florida Marriage Amendment exceeded the number necessary to be placed on the Florida ballot next November, GOP presidential hopeful Fred Thompson pledged to support marriage as the union between one man and one woman.

"I strongly believe in the time-honored principle of marriage being a union between one man and one woman, the foundation of any civilized society," Mr. Thompson said. "I will appoint judges who apply the law, not make it up from the bench. We should not be held subject to judicially created social policy, and I will use the bully pulpit of the presidency to defend the institution of marriage."

©The Evening Bulletin 2007


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: fredthompson; lcr; logcabin; paul; prohomoagenda; ronpaul
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To: VocalObserver
It's cold outside of the pot!
21 posted on 12/18/2007 6:19:25 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: svcw

He didn’t come across well on Fox News this morning. Pity it was noted lightweight Steve Docey interviewing him. I can only take so much smarmy bs in the morning, and Docey offers it up by the boatload.

Mr Happy? Nope, Mr Smarmy.


22 posted on 12/18/2007 6:21:27 AM PST by Badeye (No thanks, Huck, I'm not whitewashing the fence for you this election cycle)
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To: Sopater
The Texas Congressman added, "I would like to see all governments out of the marriage question. I don't think it is a state function; it is a religious function.

I think this is where he is really missing the boat on the issue. He, for some reason, doesn't realize how many legal issues are related to marriage, from taxes to survivor benefits, to medical issues.

23 posted on 12/18/2007 6:35:20 AM PST by mnehring
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To: svcw
Seems as though the more money he raises the more odd his behavior becomes.

It's because most of his money is coming from moonbats. Look at the MoveOn effect vis a vis the Democrats.
24 posted on 12/18/2007 6:36:41 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (CNN: Full of plants from the DNC Plant-ation.)
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To: RepRivFarm; SJackson; lormand
according to his interview this morning on FOX news, Christians and Patriots cause Fascism.

Do you have a link to the quote.. this is one I have to see to believe. Even I can't see Paul going that far..

25 posted on 12/18/2007 6:37:03 AM PST by mnehring
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To: billbears
according to his interview this morning on FOX news, Christians and Patriots cause Fascism
LOL. I realize reading may beyond some but he was quoting Sinclair Lewis. It was a general statement but history has proven that also to be the case before.

So you agree with the premise that 'Christians and Patriots cause Fascism'?

26 posted on 12/18/2007 6:41:07 AM PST by mnehring
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To: mnehrling

Drudge has some text on the “fascism in a cross” comment, but no link


27 posted on 12/18/2007 6:41:43 AM PST by lormand (Ron Paul 08' - Koalition of Kooks)
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To: crz

Hunter would be my first choice, also, but I don’t think he has a chance. Fred will do. I think he’d be a good president.

While I’m offended by some of Huckleberry’s positions, he sure as hell ain’t as bad as Pallbearer.


28 posted on 12/18/2007 6:42:20 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: lormand
Yep, From Drudge-

Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..

Worth a tag line to expose the nut...

29 posted on 12/18/2007 6:44:20 AM PST by mnehring (Ron Paul: 'When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross'..)
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To: crz

TGIFF!!!!


30 posted on 12/18/2007 6:45:52 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

Now that’s funny.


31 posted on 12/18/2007 6:47:15 AM PST by Rider on the Rain
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To: Jibaholic

Yes, it is funny that the Libertarian sees no connection between marriage and child-bearing. He allows a kind of social anarchy since custom cannot regulate this matter anymore.


32 posted on 12/18/2007 6:49:23 AM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS

There are two fatal flaws of libertarianism. The first is that it is a system of ethics designed for consenting adults, not for children who are unable to withhold consent. I can hear the outraged howls of libertarians now, “criminalizing abortion is the first step to the gulags!” The truth is precisely the opposite, my friends. A low value placed on human life is the first step to oppression.

The second fatal flaw of libertarianism is that it is the only ethical system to have a more hopelessly naive and benign view of human nature than liberalism. It assumes that adults are intrinsically driven to thrive - provided that there are no distorted incentives.


33 posted on 12/18/2007 6:59:07 AM PST by Jibaholic ("Those people who are not ruled by God will be ruled by tyrants." --William Penn)
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To: mnehrling
A transcript will be out, they're excited about it at some of his sites.

Christians suck, you know that, so do patriots.

Go Ron Go!

Naah, it's not a cult.

I'll take the liberty of posting a Lew Rockwell link to the comment, despite the site being banned. LR isn't a hate site and sometimes sites banned on FR are the only places you can find out what Ron said. Not an easy one to spin, but the paulies will be up to it.

Ron Paul quotes Sinclair Lewis on Faux News

34 posted on 12/18/2007 7:02:04 AM PST by SJackson (If she'd lived, Kopechne would be 62..Ted Kennedy would have brought comfort to her in her old age)
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To: mnehrling

“Ron Paul: ‘When fascism comes it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross’.. “

This far different from saying Patriotism and the Cross cause fascism.

I think society must be careful not to mix the two too much.

I haven’t been to any KKK rallys but those depicted always have flags and either a cross or at least religious overtones. I think these KKK and neo-nazis are facists.

Look at your Islamofacists. They are using religion to spread fascist idealogy.

Ron Paul is not well spoken, especially early in the morning (which is apparent), and when he is cut off to go to a commercial break and can’t explain himself.

Sometimes I wonder why he opens his mouth.


35 posted on 12/18/2007 7:04:47 AM PST by lfrancis
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To: mnehrling
So you agree with the premise that 'Christians and Patriots cause Fascism'?

No but I believe there are those that would call themselves Christian and nationalists using the drapery of patriotism that can bring a form of fascism to this nation. Too many are willing to hand over freedom already because that's what's needed to ensure our 'safety' and because party leadership suggested that would be the 'right' course of action. It is one thing to be a Christian and a patriot. It is an entirely different matter to be a 'Christian' and a 'patriot'. Neither Lewis nor Dr. Paul were insinuating otherwise. But you knew that already didn't you...

36 posted on 12/18/2007 7:05:45 AM PST by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Sopater

>>>[Ron] Paul Not Opposed To Same-Sex Marriage

Umm, no kidding. How many times has it been post that Ron Paul is a Log Cabin Republican???? Let me count the ways.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts
2004 - Log Cabin Congratulates Our Victorious Candidates (2004)

>>>Ron Paul (TX-16th): WON<<<

Candidate Application Questionnaire for endorsement at post 13 and 15:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts?page=13#13
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1831372/posts?page=15#15


37 posted on 12/18/2007 7:08:19 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: lfrancis

I doubt if anyone will ever accuse Ron Paul of being a patriot.


38 posted on 12/18/2007 7:09:12 AM PST by John D
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To: Jibaholic
The second fatal flaw of libertarianism is that it is the only ethical system to have a more hopelessly naive and benign view of human nature than liberalism. It assumes that adults are intrinsically driven to thrive - provided that there are no distorted incentives.

Apparently we all died out before we started creating governments.

39 posted on 12/18/2007 7:09:35 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: donna

>>>How would he handle these matters if marriage ceased to exist as a civil contract?

In Loco Parentis.

Which is what Healthy People 2010 will do.

http://blog.newyorkcitycommunity.us/2007/10/19/healthy-schools-and-in-loco-parentis.aspx
Healthy Schools and In Loco Parentis

And there are candidates running that are on and promote that program.


40 posted on 12/18/2007 7:11:46 AM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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