Colorado Heroine May Have Been Legally Prevented from Using Beretta as Security Guard

Vanity | 16 December, 2007 | Marktwain

[marktwain]

Jeanne Assam, the heroine of the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, would likely have been unable to carry the Beretta that she stopped the shooting with if she had been a licensed security guard.

An AP article published on 12 December noted that licensed security guards in Colorado Springs are restricted to the use of revolvers.

As Jeanne Assam was a volunteer parishioner who was performing security guard duties because the church did not want to hire “mercenaries”, she was almost certainly not affected by the regulations, which only apply to government regulated security guards.

Fortunately, her lack of official status with the state and city allowed her to carry a firearm with sufficient firepower to accomplish the necessary task.

Jeannette had to fire 10 rounds to keep her fellow parishoners safe.

[r9etb]

Yeah, that’s all I saw, too. The article says there’s an “attachment,” but it’s not in the posted rules.

[Rick.Donaldson]

Urban legend? Which part of the post I put up there is urban legend? Other than the fact the last line wants to put the onus on Congress to pass “tighter” assault weapon laws. LOL

I know “Dragonman” personally. He is wont to say odd things from time to time too, but I’ve never known him to say anything about anyone “only needing 5 or 6 bullets” or whatever that article quoted him as saying.

I shoot at his range, and bought two 9MM weapons at his place.

[Uri’el-2012]

I think the ordinance was done to support moonlighting
Co Spgs Police Officers who could wear their service pistol

[r9etb]

The “urban legend” reference was quoting me....

[Rick.Donaldson]

Ok... I think I’m tracking now.

Xenia says there is a law, and the rest of us say “Nope”.

So, there is not a regulation that *I* can find specific to carrying a revolver vs. a semiautomatic. There is a rule about carrying concealed.

That one I saw. There are some other ordinances listed I’ve not been able to find or go through yet, but I’m aware of many security guards who carry semiautomatic weapons, in uniform. Off duty, they carry concealed or not at all.

The article I posted in 166 I think you were talking about was from the LA Times, and who knows where they pulled their information from, but it apparently wasn’t all local here in Colorado Springs.

I’d say, given their penchant for taking the Leftist side of things, and specifically quoting the jerk from Brady, they are intent on pushing the “Let’s get Congress to ban big guns” line.

That article is anything but “equal time” or fair minded, by the way. And just because a news article says it, doesn’t MEAN it’s true.

[Rick.Donaldson]

Ok. Sorry. I hate it when threads have “one liners” lol.

It get’s confusing. Sorry for being confused.

[BurbankKarl]

Exactly how many raving gunman murderers have you stopped?

[Rick.Donaldson]

He could tell you, but then... you know... he’d have to keel ye.

[Badeye]

I’m enjoying watching the liberal mainstream media stagger from theory to theory as to what type of story is best to discredit this woman who’s heroism saved dozens, if not a hundred or more, respectful worshippers.

When you read the ‘trail ballon’s’ its pretty funny, actually.

And oh so very revealing.

[CowboyConservative]

I need to post a correction I stated Gunsight I actually meant to say Thunder Ranch I apologize for the boo boo. It’s an old age thing they say the first thing to go is the mind actually it’s the hair but the race is on.

[Rick.Donaldson]

The problem is they can’t really fault this woman with anything, except of course...

1) Being a woman

2) going to church

3) carrying a GUN! (GASP)

4) Defending a bunch of people.. including MEN who didn’t stop the guy

5) Praising God for giving her the strength and a true aim.... (Double GASP)

6) Carrying a weapon capable of holding more than six rounds! (OMG! and GASP for good measure).

7) Finding some obscure, apparently NON-EXISTENT rule I can’t find to say, “Well, IF this... then THAT”... kind of crap.

So far, there’s nothing, not ONE thing legitimate about ANY news article I’ve read where they have tried to make her sound bad... that actually makes her sound ‘discredited’.

The MSM is dying, and they are loathe to understand this, and yet more and more failed social workers are turning to journalism.

[Badeye]

All great points RD.

(hey, can we post on this thread? Does kellynla have Colorado ties?)

I found Mika on MSNBC’s ‘Morning Joe’ response to this story revealing. When it was noted that one person with a gun made a ‘difference’ her response was;

” no, no no no no....sigh’

Followed by ‘when do I get to have sex with Tiki Barber?’

(okay, that last part I’m just guessing after watching her put her hands all over him this morning...couldn’t keep her hands off him, I’m wondering if Tiki’s wife will ‘cut her’ if they every meet...)

[CowboyConservative]

Dear sir
That question has already been asked but in all fairness I will answer it again.
First I have been practicing self defense in all forms for 38 years. You tend to learn just a little in a timespan that long epecialy about yourself and your own personal limitations and we all have them just in different areas. I have trained with some of the best in all areas. I have shot competition and build custom 1911’s on the side. I was always told that knowledge and experience only have value when shared.
Now to address your answer once I was involved in a showdown as such that could of gone either way by the grace of God the other party realized what they were up against and backed down so technically I won that one without bloodshed you can judge from that.
Now again in all fairness how many gunman have you stopped?

[rahbert]

The soldier is doing a pretty good job of controling his gun...

[Scotsman will be Free]

It’s a crying shame that armed guards need to be employed. Better if folks packed.

[MarkL]

I've heard good things about Thunder Ranch. For a while, after Jeff Cooper sold Gunsite, he was very unhappy about what the owners were doing. I don't recall if he "made up" with them, or new owners, more to the liking of Colonel Cooper took over, but in his later years, he was "professor emeritus" at Gunsite. Ray Chapman is also well known in military and law enforcement circles. And he hosts the Bianchi Cup every year at his place.

Unfortunately, I don't think that I'll be going to any of them, realistically. I'm just in too bad a shape. I hadn't gone shooting in quite a while, and when I did, I realized just how painful it was. I've got awful arthritus, and I'll probably need to have both my knees replaced within the next few years. Heck, walking is quite painful: Trying to shoot from a Weaver stance was agony. Of course, if and when I decide to begin carrying concealed, I'll just have to deal with the pain. There's no way in the world that I would carry without making sure that I'm as comfortable and practiced with my weapon as humanly possible.

Mark

[dfwgator]

Being that Beretta likely murdered his wife, I don't think he would make a good security guard either. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time, and keep your eye on the sparrow!

"...and dat's da name of dat tune..."

[Rick.Donaldson]

I dunno about you Badeye, but *I* live in Colorado Springs, so I can post anything I want about it, and complain when news posted is incorrect too! :)

[Badeye]

I’ve been to Colorado Springs once (1975) and have flown over the state numerous times!

(chuckle)

[Rick.Donaldson]

I was always told that knowledge and experience only have value when shared.

Sometimes sharing doesn't have to be with the general public, just a perp, or a wannabe military with you in their sights CC... just wanted to add that. (Meaning one doesn't have to write a BOOK to share, just give better than one gets....)