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Swedes spurn bling but value education (Americans spurn education but value bling?)
www.thelocal.se ^ | 12/14/2007 | James Savage

Posted on 12/15/2007 2:19:15 AM PST by WesternCulture

Being broke need not mean social death in Sweden - as long as you are well-educated. But for Americans and Russians having a good all-round education is no substitute for having cash, according to a new survey on status symbols in the three countries.

The international survey by analysts United Minds asked 1,000 people in each country what values confer status.

'Bling' items such as expensive jewellery and designer clothes come well down the list for Swedes, while featuring more highly for Americans and, particularly, Russians.

"Sweden is the only country where you can be penniless but well-read and still have the highest status in the neighbourhood. General financial security means that things like a good education and being a good parent are seen more as something to aim for," said Marie Söderqvist Tralau, analyst at United Minds.

Entrepreneurship seemingly counts for little among Swedes. They were alone in not rating owning a company as being a big status symbol. Americans and Russians both put this in third place, while among Swedes it fell out of the top ten.

Having an all-round education was the most important value for Swedes, coming above other considerations such as wealth.

Swedes - particularly Swedish men - considered language skills to be a big status symbol, putting the ability to speak a number of languages in fourth place. Russians put languages fifth, but Americans did not think a command of foreign languages conferred high status.

Swedes and Americans placed family and marriage high up the list of 100 values. Russians were more materialistic, with work, money and titles valued more highly than softer values such as parenthood and marriage. A long and stable marriage was only 21st most important for Russians, while it was seventh for Swedes and eighth for Americans.

Not all marriages conferred equal status, however. People in all three countries viewed a woman with a much younger husband as having very low status. A much younger wife was less unpopular, but this was not viewed as a status enhancer in any country.

People in all three countries put having a degree high on the list, although Russians particularly rated a degree from a university with high international status, such as Harvard or Oxford. Being good at one's job was the top rated quality for Russians and Americans, and the second most important thing for Swedes.

"A good education is very important in all countries, and especially so in Sweden. It is a sophisticated way of showing you are intelligent, unlike for instance, luxury goods or academic titles," said Tralau.

When it comes to status-enhancing objects, Swedes put eco-cars such as hybrids at the top of the list. For Americans and Russians there was much less status in using your wheels to show your green credentials.

The biggest social faux-pas in Sweden was to have a childminder or cleaner and pay them under the table. In Russia and the US, having IKEA furniture was near the bottom of the list at 98, while Swedes put this at 73.

Having plastic surgery and therapy ranked low in all three countries, with Americans ranking therapy right at the bottom of the list.

The email survey was sent to 1,000 people in each country, with respondents selected to be representative in terms of age, sex and location.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bling; ecocars; education; entrepreneurship; familyvalues; goodlife; harvard; hybrids; intelligence; language; languages; languageskills; luxury; marriage; money; oxford; parenthood; prestige; prosperity; qualityoflife; russia; scandinavia; security; socialstatus; status; statussymbols; sweden; university; universitydegree; wealth
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To: Tailback
You can train as a technician in the US and naturally you will not have the same status as an engineer (course requirements outside of engineering are not so much as an associate degree in liberal arts). There are also degrees in "Engineering Technology" that focus more on current technology and less on the theory that engineers are required to learn.

Without realizing it, I went to a Swedish dentist who rose to the level of practicing dentistry without going through the formal education process. As a result, I am now going through life with fewer than the ordinary number of teeth.
41 posted on 12/18/2007 6:56:55 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: 1234; A knight without armor; AIM-54; Allan; american colleen; AndyPH; anguish; AzSteven; ...

It would be quite foolish to move from the US to Sweden with the expectation that it would increase your standard of living. The utopian description that there are no poor people here, that everyone has a high standard of living, that taxes are not a problem, etc. is a myth; and not a very popular one. I have not seen such a claim anywhere except here at freerepublic, and here only from one person.


42 posted on 12/18/2007 7:02:28 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

I take things I’m told on the net with a grain of salt.


43 posted on 12/18/2007 7:35:48 AM PST by GoLightly
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To: WesternCulture
We have made some attempts at humor, but we never seem to advance beyond sheer mockery of our neighbors (the Finns, Danes and Norwegians).

LOL! For the past 5 years I have been best friends w/a Norwegian. We also had a professor who was Danish. The big joke between them was to make fun of Swedes. As an American, new to the Nordic folks, I didn't see much of a difference, but obviously you guys do. The jokes they told about the Swedes were outrageous, but maybe more polite than the ones they told about the Finns!

44 posted on 12/18/2007 8:21:10 AM PST by radiohead ("Dissolution of the IRS as we know it." Fred Thompson. Stop...You had me at "dissolution.")
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To: RogerFGay

Lived in Sweden two years... been home for one now... beautiful country... full of slackers... when I have my notes complete, I’ll ping you with the story. Totally enjoyed the experience and travel but nothing compares to the U.S.

Also, glad my great grandparents hopped the boat from there to the U.S. in the mid/late 1800s.


45 posted on 12/18/2007 11:13:07 AM PST by schwing_wifey (Lily was mistaken..The Borg are Swedish..Resistance is Futile.....)
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To: RogerFGay

You live in Sweden?


46 posted on 12/18/2007 8:01:13 PM PST by Professional
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To: Professional

Yes.


47 posted on 12/20/2007 3:11:51 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: schwing_wifey

Interesting. I don’t complain about Sweden myself. It does have its good points. It just bothers me when someone is turning it into a myth. In a conversation with a high level government official once, she made the point that hyping Sweden for leftist propaganda so often leads to counter arguments against Sweden; which is not nice for Sweden. So, I don’t even see creating a Swedish myth as doing Sweden any favors.


48 posted on 12/20/2007 3:16:25 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: 1234; A knight without armor; AIM-54; Allan; american colleen; AndyPH; anguish; AzSteven; ...
Wanted to ping the list about a website called Amerikanska.com. The people who use the website are Americans living in Sweden. Discussions are meant to share information that is useful in adapting. For example, the food forum provides translations for food items and where to get ingredients for a traditional holiday meal is a hot topic right now.

I'm not sure if there would be much value in signing up if you're just considering a visit, but if you're planning to come and live here for a while; it's a great resource.
49 posted on 12/20/2007 3:30:54 AM PST by RogerFGay
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To: RogerFGay

“It just bothers me when someone is turning it into a myth.”

- Obviously, Sweden rightfully makes the impression of a myth.

Why?

Mainly because so many other countries don’t know work ethics and fail to discern the idea of product quality.

The standard of living in Sweden is unparallelled.
The simple evidence of this is that a car like the Volvo V70 is an average car in its coutry of origin (best selling car since years ago).

Prosperity exists in other countries, but it’s not as widespread as it is in Sweden.

It would be easy to portray Sweden as some kind of paradise compared to places like the US and Great Britain.

But let’s compare Sweden to the other Scandinavian countries.

Let’s bring up the Volvo V70 again. In which Scandinavian country does the average family own a car like the Volvo V70?

In which Scandinavian country does the average family own a summer house and a motorboat?

In which Scandinavian country are houses built in a way which allow them to withstand an earthquake (although earthquakes never occur in Sweden)?

In which Scandinavian country are houses the largest and the best built?


50 posted on 12/20/2007 1:28:13 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: blam

Put ‘em on a reservation like we did.


51 posted on 12/20/2007 1:34:16 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: WesternCulture
Being broke need not mean social death in Sweden - as long as you are well-educated. But for Americans and Russians having a good all-round education is no substitute for having cash, according to a new survey on status symbols in the three countries.

To me, the whole point of getting higher education is to NOT be broke.

52 posted on 12/20/2007 1:35:26 PM PST by RockinRight (Fred Thompson spells gravitas B-A-L-L-S-O-F-S-T-E-E-L.)
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To: WesternCulture
Being broke need not mean social death in Sweden - as long as you are well-educated. But for Americans and Russians having a good all-round education is no substitute for having cash, according to a new survey on status symbols in the three countries.

To me, the whole point of getting higher education is to NOT be broke.

53 posted on 12/20/2007 1:35:27 PM PST by RockinRight (Fred Thompson spells gravitas B-A-L-L-S-O-F-S-T-E-E-L.)
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To: schwing_wifey

“Totally enjoyed the experience and travel but nothing compares to the U.S.”

- I like, nay adore, Americans like you.

If everyone around the world was a patriot, there would be no quarrels, no conflicts, no bomb raids.

Just people wishing to improve their lives, wishing to enjoy true freedom, wishing to do what is right to do while being here in life.

Greetings from Europe.

Always behind your back, although it might not always show.


54 posted on 12/20/2007 1:41:58 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: WesternCulture

bump to self...


55 posted on 12/20/2007 1:42:38 PM PST by LearnsFromMistakes (Member VRWC - Volvo-owning right-wing conspiracy.)
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To: miliantnutcase
"Put ‘em on a reservation like we did."

Hmmm. I am we.

56 posted on 12/20/2007 2:02:06 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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To: WesternCulture

Are you talking about the Volvo company that’s owned by Ford?


57 posted on 12/27/2007 8:10:53 AM PST by RogerFGay
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