Posted on 12/13/2007 12:10:33 AM PST by tessalu
WASHINGTON – Satan has reared his ugly head in the 2008 presidential campaign – literally. Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has prompted angry denunciations of religious bigotry by rival Mitt Romney as well as an official retort from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints for speculating in a New York Times Magazine interview this weekend that Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers.
"On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some – especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations," says the statement. "But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel "who was in authority in the presence of God," a "son of the morning." (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25–27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer's older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)"
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Please aspire for better than avg morals:
33 percent of American adults say they would cheat the government by working under the table while receiving unemployment benefits.
25 percent admit they would cheat a restaurant that left items off a bill.
25 percent believe the use of illegal drugs by adults is acceptable.
16 percent say sex between unmarried adults is never wrong, and 49 percent more say it depends on the situation.
65 percent of Americans will excuse sex outside marriage.
Only 67 percent believe premarital sex among high school kids is always wrong.
Only 49 percent think homosexuality is wrong. A mere 14 percent say homosexuality is right, but 26 percent say it depends on the situation.
51 percent describe themselves as “pro-choice,” though only 8 percent believe abortion is “morally right.”
45 percent say divorce should be legal for any reason at any time.
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Clarification: Jesus is NOT the brother of satan. Jesus is God. satan is a fallen angel. Period
get thee behind me satan, and do not push
I think this whole Huckabee-Romney thing got old before it started. Huckabee moved up in the polls and forced Romney into making a play and giving a speech. Romney was courting evangelical votes and for him now to turn and say it is wrong to ask questions about his faith, is insincere.
When you give a speech that basically says, “I believe relatively the same as you do”, well, expect some questions. I don’t bother myself to even weigh information about things like Huckabee asked of Romney. This is being made complicated when it is not. It all begins and ends with the prophets of any particular belief system. If Mohammed or Joseph Smith or L Ron Hubbard are telling the truth, that is the main point of consideration. If their prophecies are found lacking and false, then so too most likely are the respective dominations/religions connected to them. I have an opinion on all three, but that is for you to decide, not I.
This kind of publicity will NOT win the LDS Church any converts and will only hasten their ultimate demise. At some point, the LDS Church will have to denounce their "strange" doctrines or implode.
Its not a question of rejecting a candidate out of hand because of his or her faith. What I was asserting is that faith MATTERS. The people on this board who are saying “this has no bearing on a presidential election” are in effect saying that religion is of no consequence - a hobby was said at one point I believe. But that is not so. True religion permeates all of your life and outlook.
Now, I agree, a candidate should be judged on thir policies, principles, integrity and so on. I would rather elect a good man who was a Hindu than a bad one who happens to be Christian. But, policy, principles, integrity etc are shaped by personal beliefs, and religion (or indeed the lack of it) is pretty fundamental to that.
Having said that, I do believe in this instance Huckabee was just trying to stir up prejudice with his question. The exchange probably casts more doubts on his moral scruples than those of Mr Romney.
...and 73.6 percent of statistics are made up right on the spot!
John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
They sought to stone Yeshua (Jesus) both times for blasphemy, for saying that He was indeed Yahweh (God) manifested in the flesh.
No, Satan is not "the brother" of Jesus, not even in spirit, as I understand the Bible. It's literally like comparing apples to oranges.
It could always be the other way round. Maybe the stories of Zeus/Promethus etc came about because of “mythologising” of the Biblical account. :)
Satan Jesus’ brother? What a stupid concept. Jesus is the Creator, not the creation of anybody. Satan can’t create squat.
Meanwhile, we who believe are joint-heirs with Christ, the inheritors of all things. By the grace of the Lord, we are the Sons of God. If anybody is Jesus’ brother, it’s a believer- not the enemy.
Now the story of Jesus 40 days in the wilderness is going to have to be updated...
“Hey don’t tempt me bro...”
I’d go along with that (and I’m a Christian!) It doesn’t mean that the biblical account is false - you just have to be discerning in how you interpret it.
I agree with you in so far as we ought not to test if someone is or is not religious, but there needs to be a process to determine if the held religious beliegs are treasonous or damaging to the potential security of the US.
The Satan & Jesus relationship issue is not likely, but what other held beliefs by Romney or any other candidate could be?
I totally agree , religion has no place in US politics and I wish people would stop making it a major issue.
carumba wrote: “If you are predicting or prophesying I have to say that Daniel, Nephi, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc prophesy that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will continue to grow until the second coming. Time will tell.”
I agree. Without a doubt, the Mormons typically live very moral lives. As far as their Christianity goes, I’ll leave that to Christ. I personally believe Mormonism is a cult, but only Christ has authority to decide. I have none.
I do think the Mormons are treading on very thin ice if they are adding to and/or changing the Bible. That would be very foolish.
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